Xyhm

More schools should teach Monty Python. You may not learn about types and OOP, but if someone attacks you with a banana you'll know what to do. Hey, if I ever start a comedy group, I'll call it Monty C++.

Dietrich

Sounds good, but there is an extreme shortage of qualified computer teachers in the US. This is the reason that some rather unqualified teachers are drafted to teach computers.

Many schools get the computers and not the right teachers. Hmm, wonder what the qualifications for a computer teacher at the highschool level are? I guess you could always coach some sport activity to make ends meet.

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Dietrich: I agree with you, both of my programming teachers in high school were football coaches. What a waste of time.

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Ooble

They put sports teachers in front of computers? What genius thought that one up?

Over in England, at least, once you have your certificate saying you can teach, you're allowed to teach anything. The school may not like you doing so, but they can ask you to if they have to.

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KyrinComaBlack

i don't understand whyhave a teacher that don't know jack about programming teach programming. Get teachers that are qualified for that class and a dumb wad that doesn't know jack from a hole in the ground.

Jimbo

Back when I was in high school, we actually had some computer teachers that actually knew what they were teaching, but as soon as we'd have a substitute, it became a free-study day as the subs never knew anything about anything... then again, that could be generalized for almost all the subs I had back then... (we had a sub try to teach French in my Spanish class one time)

Hurray for Turing complete languages...

Sane

Brainf*** is "Turing complete", yet it can't display an SDL window or call to the win32api?

Jimbo

I would call that more of a library incompatability. You're mixing languages that were not intended to mix.

The point of Turing completeness is that you can write the SDL library, Win32 API, and whatever else you want in any Turing complete language; however, the amount of effort and code that is required is not necessarily the same (BF and Whitespace, for instance would require more effort than C++ or Java).

Sane

Aren't there certain things you just can't write though? Due to permission not given by the OS among other possible unforseen restrictions?

Jimbo

Restrictions imposed by the OS will apply to any language. Again, thats not a part of Turing completeness. The concept of a Turing complete language is just that: a concept. Actual limitations of a language will usually come in the form of impracticality for the desired solution.