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Old Nov 8th, 2005, 11:52 AM   #11
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And here I thought Ajax was a foaming cleanser.... . I guess I need to get down to the nitty-gritty.
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Old Nov 8th, 2005, 11:53 AM   #12
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Old Nov 8th, 2005, 4:17 PM   #13
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AJAX is just a buzz word invented by marketeers to make money from an already widely used technology.
It is a buzz word.

Widely used technology, not true. Yes it uses javascript but you need a plug-in to run it on the server. First thing from microsoft that appear to be open source.

Like I said... I'll tell you if its worth it.
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Old Nov 8th, 2005, 4:27 PM   #14
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Plugin? I think not, baby-puppy...

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To prevent any confusion, these things are not characterstic of Ajax:

* Proprietary: "Ajax" is perhaps one of the most common brand names in history, but in context of web design, "Ajax" is neither the name of a company nor a product. It's not even the name of a standard or committee. It's a label for a design approach involving several related technologies.
* Plugin-Based: Ajax applications do not require users to install browser plugins, or desktop software for that matter.
* Browser Specific: As long as the user is working with a relatively recent, mainstream, browser (say 2001+), the application should work roughly the same way. Browser-specific applications somewhat defeat the purpose of Ajax.
And yes, it is worth it.
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Old Nov 8th, 2005, 5:49 PM   #15
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Maybe plug-in istent the right term... You need to add 2 new dll files to the bin folder. I already use a pure java script based one but I want to see what asp.net has to offer.
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Old Nov 9th, 2005, 12:42 AM   #16
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aah..missed out XHTML...

this is important ..and easy to learn if you know HTML....
xhtml 1.0 is the new standard of html 4.0. just standardization, it's not a new "language". standardization is important in html due to browser compatibility, that's all. but yeah xhtml, css, javascript/jscript (client-side) and php/ASP/perl (server side) along with SQL and C# if you wanna dig even deeper.

a good foundation in html, css, and javascript can do amazing things (along with a good image editor).
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Old Nov 9th, 2005, 10:41 AM   #17
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It is a buzz word.

Widely used technology, not true. Yes it uses javascript but you need a plug-in to run it on the server. First thing from microsoft that appear to be open source.

Like I said... I'll tell you if its worth it.
You have no idea what you're talking about. AJAX: Asynchronous JavaScript and XML. You don't need a plugin to run it on a server because it's entirely client based scripting. Also, it's not from Microsoft. While it is essentially nothing new, it's a new way of looking at things. The idea is to get web apps that work and run like desktop apps. I've seen an Outlook Express clone that runs in the browser via AJAX, something we (as developers) wouldn't have thought to do again. But when you get down to it, it's essentially just javascript.

You said you need a plug in to run it on a server. No. You don't. If you want to develop AJAX with a framework, then you need that framework installed on the server (ie, Ruby on Rails or whatever MS is coming out with (atlas I think is the name of it)). The idea is to make it easier to develop by providing helper functions, etc, much like any other framework (.NET for example).
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Old Nov 9th, 2005, 11:22 AM   #18
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a good foundation in html, css, and javascript can do amazing things (along with a good image editor).
So true!
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Old Nov 9th, 2005, 2:07 PM   #19
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It is a buzz word.

Widely used technology, not true. Yes it uses javascript but you need a plug-in to run it on the server. First thing from microsoft that appear to be open source.

Like I said... I'll tell you if its worth it.
What kinda crap are you talking? AJAX server plugin.... it might help if you take the plastic off of that AJAX book and start reading it. AJAX does not require a server-side plugin to be able to use it although MicroSoft might have you believe that their tool to "simplify" matters or whatever is helping get things done easier (i've never even heard about it).

All Ajax is is Asynchronous Javascript that uses the the XML objects in Javascript to synchronize data with the webserver, a webserver can serve these XML objects already with a language like PHP to update them...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AJAX
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The benefit of using client-side script for things like this is that one can make short http requests of the server without reloading an entire page that might be very heavy with images and whatnot (and isn't cached). It reduces the demands on the server and the infrastructure, as well as the bandwidth. It's why Google Maps doesn't have to reload everything when you do some small something that needs some server attention. Obviously, much of the to-do about it is, nevertheless, marketing-related.
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