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bja888 · Oct 31st, 2005, 10:32 AM

Yeppers, the W3 is tring to do away with it, now there will be no good way to center a page

I'l post a new template for you in less than 24 hours.

Obtruse_Man4 · Oct 31st, 2005, 10:42 AM

Thanks for the template. Doesn't matter how it's done, I just wasn't sure where to start in doing it.

The W3 is trying to get rid of the <center> tag? Why? I use it all the time. What else is there to center something?

DaWei · Oct 31st, 2005, 11:17 AM

The current approach to applying attributes is to apply them as attributes to a single, enclosing container. <p align="center" style="font-weight: bold;">CONTENT</p>, while not intrinsically superior to <p><center><strong>CONTENT</strong></center></p>, allows the styles to be applied en masse to a predefined class of container (as one example). When it comes to consistency, and the separation of presentation and content, it is actually a superior approach. People that never take any time out to think, because they're too busy reinventing the wheel, of course don't "get it".

bja888 · Oct 31st, 2005, 11:34 AM

It makes since but it doesn't work like it should.
right now, <center> works and text-align:center; doesnt.

bja888 · Oct 31st, 2005, 1:22 PM

[html]<html>
<head>
<title>The Far Side of the Galaxy - Downloads</title>
<link href="/skins/plain/style.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" /></head>
<body>
<a name="top" id="top"></a>
<table height="100%" width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
<tr><td height="50" valign="top"><div id="menu">
<a href="/index.php" title="Home">Home</a>
<a href="http://forums.farsideofthegalaxy.com">Forums</a>
<a href="/pictures/">Pictures</a>
<a href="/downloads/">Downloads</a>
<a href="http://webmail.farsideofthegalaxy.com">Webmail</a>
</div></td></tr>
<tr><td align="center" valign="top">
Body

</td></tr>
<tr><td height="45"><div id="footer" align="center" valign="bottom">Copyright 2005, Evan Smith</div></td></tr>
</table>
</body>
</html>[/html]
Edit this line your menu layer to fix the space between the heard and body.[html]margin-bottom:50px;[/html]
Visual Sample http://www.bja888.com/temp/NoName.html
Warning this approach will not work if you ever decied to convert this template to xhtml.

DaWei · Oct 31st, 2005, 2:50 PM

Here's an example of applied style versus in-content tags. Even with this tiny amount of content, you can see the difference in work required to produce it. The work required to EDIT and MAINTAIN it, in the face of changes, is stupendously mind-boggling. Scale it up to a large application. (Weird -- "text-align" woiks fer me.)

You know, BJ, I don't really mind that you are ineffably stupid. That's a personal choice, on your part. What I mind, and what I will do my utmost to prevent, is your misleading of members who come here for decent answers, simply because you have some bug up your ass about your personally-determined expertise as a web-design guru. I am asking you now to refrain from that. If you cannot voluntarily do that, I will appeal to the admins and mods of the forum to gag you. Pizientos has already had to close a couple of your threads for pandemic stupidity.

Example View the source.

bja888 · Oct 31st, 2005, 2:59 PM

I'm, not going to make the poor guy change his entire style sheet. The thing is over 300 lines long. I'm not going to make him hunt for the part that needs fixing. In this case I put the added attributes in the tags.
If you can solve this guys proublem a better way. Go ahead post it.

If your going to talk sh** back it up. Or else, there you go Obtruse_Man4 your proublem is solved.

And for the last time... text-align does not center divs in FF

tempest · Oct 31st, 2005, 3:09 PM

bja888, please do me the favor of shutting the fuck up...

You are probably one of the least educated members here, and unless you're willing to accept that you're just going to make us mad when we are trying to help people. I hope this isn't too far from your comprehension, because xHTML surely is.

[html]
<html>
<head>
<style type="text/css">
#talign {
text-align: center;
}
</style>
<title>text-align example</title>
</head>
<body>
<div id="talign">bja888 you are just annoying...</div>
</body>
</html>
[/html]

DaWei · Oct 31st, 2005, 3:16 PM

Tempest for president.

Mocker · Oct 31st, 2005, 4:32 PM

http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum83/501.htm

Maybe code works? Dunno other people have fought this problem before you, and possibly overcome it

Oct 31st, 2005, 10:42 AM	#12
Obtruse_Man4 Programmer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: PA, USA Posts: 49 Rep Power: 0	Thanks for the template. Doesn't matter how it's done, I just wasn't sure where to start in doing it. The W3 is trying to get rid of the <center> tag? Why? I use it all the time. What else is there to center something? __________________ "I have many layer-eight problems in my life, including myself."

Oct 31st, 2005, 11:17 AM	#13
DaWei Resident Grouch Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,453 Rep Power: 10	The current approach to applying attributes is to apply them as attributes to a single, enclosing container. <p align="center" style="font-weight: bold;">CONTENT</p>, while not intrinsically superior to <p><center><strong>CONTENT</strong></center></p>, allows the styles to be applied en masse to a predefined class of container (as one example). When it comes to consistency, and the separation of presentation and content, it is actually a superior approach. People that never take any time out to think, because they're too busy reinventing the wheel, of course don't "get it". __________________ Abstraction doesn't make it impossible to write bad code; it makes it possible to write superior code. Contributor's Corner: Grumpy on C++ Exceptions DaWei on Pointers

Oct 31st, 2005, 2:50 PM	#16
DaWei Resident Grouch Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,453 Rep Power: 10	Here's an example of applied style versus in-content tags. Even with this tiny amount of content, you can see the difference in work required to produce it. The work required to EDIT and MAINTAIN it, in the face of changes, is stupendously mind-boggling. Scale it up to a large application. (Weird -- "text-align" woiks fer me.) You know, BJ, I don't really mind that you are ineffably stupid. That's a personal choice, on your part. What I mind, and what I will do my utmost to prevent, is your misleading of members who come here for decent answers, simply because you have some bug up your ass about your personally-determined expertise as a web-design guru. I am asking you now to refrain from that. If you cannot voluntarily do that, I will appeal to the admins and mods of the forum to gag you. Pizientos has already had to close a couple of your threads for pandemic stupidity. Example View the source. __________________ Abstraction doesn't make it impossible to write bad code; it makes it possible to write superior code. Contributor's Corner: Grumpy on C++ Exceptions DaWei on Pointers

Oct 31st, 2005, 3:16 PM	#19
DaWei Resident Grouch Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,453 Rep Power: 10	Tempest for president. __________________ Abstraction doesn't make it impossible to write bad code; it makes it possible to write superior code. Contributor's Corner: Grumpy on C++ Exceptions DaWei on Pointers

Oct 31st, 2005, 4:32 PM	#20
Mocker Hobbyist Programmer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 216 Rep Power: 0	http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum83/501.htm Maybe code works? Dunno other people have fought this problem before you, and possibly overcome it __________________ #programmingforums relay - http://thegupstudio.com/cgi-bin/pforelay.cgi freelance scripts - http://ryanguthrie.com/index.html

Oct 31st, 2005, 10:32 AM	#11
bja888 Hobbyist Programmer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Central, FL Posts: 213 Rep Power: 0	Yeppers, the W3 is tring to do away with it, now there will be no good way to center a page I'l post a new template for you in less than 24 hours.

Oct 31st, 2005, 11:34 AM	#14
bja888 Hobbyist Programmer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Central, FL Posts: 213 Rep Power: 0	It makes since but it doesn't work like it should. right now, <center> works and text-align:center; doesnt.

Oct 31st, 2005, 1:22 PM	#15
bja888 Hobbyist Programmer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Central, FL Posts: 213 Rep Power: 0	[html]<html> <head> <title>The Far Side of the Galaxy - Downloads</title> <link href="/skins/plain/style.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" /></head> <body> <a name="top" id="top"></a> <table height="100%" width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tr><td height="50" valign="top"><div id="menu"> <a href="/index.php" title="Home">Home</a> <a href="http://forums.farsideofthegalaxy.com">Forums</a> <a href="/pictures/">Pictures</a> <a href="/downloads/">Downloads</a> <a href="http://webmail.farsideofthegalaxy.com">Webmail</a> </div></td></tr> <tr><td align="center" valign="top"> Body </td></tr> <tr><td height="45"><div id="footer" align="center" valign="bottom">Copyright 2005, Evan Smith</div></td></tr> </table> </body> </html>[/html] Edit this line your menu layer to fix the space between the heard and body.[html]margin-bottom:50px;[/html] Visual Sample http://www.bja888.com/temp/NoName.html Warning this approach will not work if you ever decied to convert this template to xhtml.

Oct 31st, 2005, 2:59 PM	#17
bja888 Hobbyist Programmer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Central, FL Posts: 213 Rep Power: 0	I'm, not going to make the poor guy change his entire style sheet. The thing is over 300 lines long. I'm not going to make him hunt for the part that needs fixing. In this case I put the added attributes in the tags. If you can solve this guys proublem a better way. Go ahead post it. If your going to talk sh** back it up. Or else, there you go Obtruse_Man4 your proublem is solved. And for the last time... text-align does not center divs in FF

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