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DaWei · Sep 24th, 2005, 2:45 PM

I'm just a post whore, Tempest, as we all know. I leave it to bloodninja to be "a very senior member of another programming forum".

Eryk · Sep 24th, 2005, 3:06 PM

JavaScript shouldn't be used for anything that would make users have it on. It should be for side-effects. You don't want it for form submitting or anything like that. Most commonly it is used for roll-overs. I mainly use it for experimenting with things and programming ideas.

You really don't need to learn both PHP and Perl, really just one or the other.

tempest · Sep 24th, 2005, 3:40 PM

Well, actually, no. Both languages have it's advantages... although perl can work in a web environment it's mostly a terminal scripting language for linux. PHP is probably the better of the two, by far, in working with web programming... i wouldn't say you don't need to learn both. Just that both have their goods and bads.

DaWei · Sep 24th, 2005, 5:06 PM

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JavaScript shouldn't be used for anything that would make users have it on.

That's merely a pseudo-elitist-geek-god dictum. My own personal opinion, of course, but see my earlier post for some acceptable reasons to use it. There are plenty of self-anointed high-priests that won't want you to think for yourself. Do it anyway. Then if you are of a different opinion from someone else, you have good reason.

iignotus · Sep 24th, 2005, 5:36 PM

A very, very good tip I heard from someone a while back (paraphrasing):
"All websites should be coded to fully functional with just HTML; then, and only then, can you start adding quirks with CSS, JavaScript, etc."

MrMan9879 · Sep 24th, 2005, 6:38 PM

Thanks everyone for your input everyone. I'm going to learn JavaScript anyways, I'm not sure if I'm going to use it a lot after I learn more advanced languages, but it's good for experience. I already have a bit of programming experience (not a heck of a lot, but I can understand things alright) and I am finding this book a little bit hard to understand. I read HTML 4.0 for Dummies and I thought it was great! But it could be that I already knew a lot of HTML, i was just brushing up on skills. Maybe if I get some new ones I should go for something different. Anyone have any ideas on a good book series on programming for the web, games etc.?

bl00dninja · Sep 25th, 2005, 1:14 AM

yeah i got tired of my avatar not displaying properly so i grabbed another really quickly.

haha dawei. this will always be my home.

Eryk · Sep 25th, 2005, 8:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MrMan9879

Thanks everyone for your input everyone. I'm going to learn JavaScript anyways, I'm not sure if I'm going to use it a lot after I learn more advanced languages, but it's good for experience. I already have a bit of programming experience (not a heck of a lot, but I can understand things alright) and I am finding this book a little bit hard to understand. I read HTML 4.0 for Dummies and I thought it was great! But it could be that I already knew a lot of HTML, i was just brushing up on skills. Maybe if I get some new ones I should go for something different. Anyone have any ideas on a good book series on programming for the web, games etc.?

I've found that the simple games are really just using DHTML, so learning that will allow you to make them. Most everything for javascript can be learned on the web. I personally learned by reading code, googling what I didn't understand, and then practicing with what I learned. When I took on a project, I made sure it was something I didn't yet know how to do, so I would have to learn to make it.

MrMan9879 · Sep 26th, 2005, 1:26 PM

Well what I've decided to do is just try out different things with JavaScript using the bits and pieces of things I already know, and use the book I got as a reference. The only problem is I'm not 100% sure what I want to make...

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iignotus Professional Programmer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Nowhere Special Posts: 466 Rep Power: 4	A very, very good tip I heard from someone a while back (paraphrasing): "All websites should be coded to fully functional with just HTML; then, and only then, can you start adding quirks with CSS, JavaScript, etc." __________________ (Toggle Plain Text) % rc4 hexkey < input > output #define S ,t=s[i],s[i]=s[j],s[j]=t /* rc4 hexkey <file / unsigned char k[256],s[256],i,j,t;main(c,v,e)charv;{++v;while(++i)s[ i]=i;for(c=0;(v)++;k[c++]=e)sscanf((v)++-1,"%2x",&e);while(j+=s[i] +k[i%c]S,++i);for(j=0;c=~getchar();putchar(~c^s[t+=s[i]]))j+=s[++i]S;}

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Eryk Programmer Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 62 Rep Power: 4	JavaScript shouldn't be used for anything that would make users have it on. It should be for side-effects. You don't want it for form submitting or anything like that. Most commonly it is used for roll-overs. I mainly use it for experimenting with things and programming ideas. You really don't need to learn both PHP and Perl, really just one or the other.

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MrMan9879 Programmer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Nanaimo, BC, Canada Posts: 97 Rep Power: 0	Thanks everyone for your input everyone. I'm going to learn JavaScript anyways, I'm not sure if I'm going to use it a lot after I learn more advanced languages, but it's good for experience. I already have a bit of programming experience (not a heck of a lot, but I can understand things alright) and I am finding this book a little bit hard to understand. I read HTML 4.0 for Dummies and I thought it was great! But it could be that I already knew a lot of HTML, i was just brushing up on skills. Maybe if I get some new ones I should go for something different. Anyone have any ideas on a good book series on programming for the web, games etc.?

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MrMan9879 Programmer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Nanaimo, BC, Canada Posts: 97 Rep Power: 0	Well what I've decided to do is just try out different things with JavaScript using the bits and pieces of things I already know, and use the book I got as a reference. The only problem is I'm not 100% sure what I want to make...

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