Arla

First off, apologies my prior post came off rather harsher than I intended, sorry about that, and I'm not totally against Micro$oft, just like to know about options.

I still don't understand your point, what great advantage did they have? They still had to create the interface, it wasn't like they already had a pre-built UI, okay so maybe they didn't have to design the interface (then again, it's another thing that as far as I can tell is 99% the same as every IDE I've used since Turbo Pascal so... um yeah).


1. I'm still not convinced, let me ask this then, what is the difference between VC# Express and say VC# Standard (or VS) because if they are all the same why would anyone ever pay money for VS or VC#. You are right, I do distrust Microsoft somewhat, so I have the feeling there will be some sort of kick at the end that either forces you to pay for VS/VC# Standard or to not be able to do something.

2. You're right it wouldn't I was just hoping other had, apparently though this goes into more of a "Microsoft sucks" vs "GPL stuff is a bunch of bored kids" argument, so it sounds like most people go with there preference as opposed to actually accessing product differences.

3. See 1 above, while it may currently be free, I would like to know what the "crippled" parts are, because I'm sure there are some. Obviously it's not dumb to use a free product for fun, because that's what I currently do with SharpDevelop.

4. Beyond one post I've not see any actual reasons about the programs, just a bunch of arguing about whether Micro$oft sucks or whether GPL products are writting by a bunch of bored kids and are never going to amount to a hill of beans.

The main advantage (and I'm making an assumption here) that I see for VC# Express is that I presume it has a debugger built in. The main advantage I see for SharpDevelop is the always increasing scope of the project (until no-one continues development, but even then as an individual you can put in extra features if you so wish).

DaWei

VC# Express is for basic C# programming. As near as I can tell, the one I have isn't crippled. I don't mess with it much. If one wants all the extra web development tools and such, then one goes for Studio. Almost every compiler vendor has "personal", "commercial", and "enterprise" editions, or some similar nomenclature. It's called bells and whistles. It's also called, sometimes, "level of support".

A lot of choices are made on personal opinion and experience, without a lot of rational competetive evaluation added to the mix. One of my ex-wives always picked her horses based on the jockey's colors. Being "rational", I used the racing form. Her's came in as often as mine. I was relying on reasonable and appropriate facts and figures; the problem was, I didn't have the expertise to make a sensible decision, or the "inside track" that easily overwhelms the mere historical facts.

If you don't like the politics or philosophies associated with a particular candidate vote for and support the one you like.

Rich companies that charge where possible for a product tend to have a little more inside the product. The fact is that the "latest" tends to filter down into the lower-cost or free products. No manufacturer wants to spend unnecessary money to keep 1953 Chevy parts in production. His cheap models will tend to eventually benefit from his investment in his expensive models. With patience and shopping around, the consumer, too, can benefit.

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OpenLoop

Actually they have a Visual Web Developper Express Edition as well

(we all got too excited )

VS and VC# Express don't compare simply because Visual Studio is all in one IDE. Using VS 2003, you can develop ASP.NET, WebServices, VB.NET, C#, C++, MC++, MFC, ATL, and a number of other .NET languages that can be added using plugins.
On the other hand, VC# Express is only a C# IDE like #Develop.

Arla

Okay, so what about VC# Standard, again just trying to understand where Microsoft is placing this, I know some other product I had (think it was a Borland C++ product if I recall) basically could do most stuff except run against files or databases, which totally stopped me using it :p

(Side note, #Develop also works I believe for VB.Net, not sure what else (if anything) but I believe it works for VB).

OpenLoop

I never used VC# standalone. The only reason that VC# express is still free is that it is still in Beta 2 testing.

uman

it's going to cost $49 when it's released IIRC

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OpenLoop

That's not bad, i can live with that.

bl00dninja

slightly off-topic, i think the reason he didn't like the acronym GIMP is probably because of deviant sexual connotations in popular culture attributed to the movie "pulp fiction", either that or the older definition of gimp...a cripple.

but yeah, the acronym makes sense, i thought it was a cool name.

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I cannot make use of #D until there's an integrated debugger. As far as missing features go, that's a black hole.

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