megamind5005

Hi people, i've just been reading some of the threads about the py2exe thing. everytime someone asks about turning their .py into .exe this comes up and they say that it actualy packs the python.exe and other stuff into the executable... isn't that unnecessary? I dont know too much about this (only started learning python and Java recently) but i'm sure thats not how it would be done professioanlly, like with the day-today exec.s that everyone uses. Is there actually a way to turn code into executable, or have i missed something?

BTW, how hard is it to advance from console programming to GUI programming, in python?

Moldz

I don't know any exact details, but I would think that since Python is an interpreted language, you would need the python interpreter (aka python.exe) bundled with an executable in order to interpret your program.

megamind5005

i know, but thats my point: surely there must be a way of not having to have the interpreter make the file bigger. For example, some of the text editors on python.org are supposedly made in python (with GUI) but they dont come with the interpreter.
Anyone know more than me about this?

oh and what about my GUI question?

thechristelegacy

Actually a lot of the programs written in Python with a GUI are still interperted. The files that you download are .py files. Souce files, not binarys. If you were to make a bainary of a file with GUI the filesize would be huge. There is a packaging system that comes with Python to put your .py files in an executavle for simplifying setup, but for those to work, the person needs the Python runtime. Python is a language that cannot be directly converted into machine code.

I'm sure with A LOT (a few years of work with a development team) you might be able to pull this off, and if you did you would be the president of the Python community.

For almost all interperted languages, you need the interperter.

And for GUI, you could go for either Tkinter which comes with Python (but a lot of people say it's confusing as hell), but if not that, I would use wxWindows which seams to be the next logical choice. There are however wrappers for almost every gui toolkit you can think of. GTK, QT, Fox, and a few propritary ones. For developing these applications there is BOA, but if you really want to get in touch with your inner UI self, learn how to code it all by hand so you actually understand it, instead of letting a program do all the work.

Dietrich

For GUI programs use the free Boa Constructor, it has a visual form builder like visual C++ or C#.

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Dameon

Python would be a mess to translate to machine code. Yuck. It could be done, but the innards of x86 assembly are very unpleasant...moreso when trying to generate it.

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megamind5005

ah, i see. So i can do GUI, but i gotta use either BOA or GTK (they seem like the most popular). got it.
something else that i've just found out about: is it possible to use python as an alternative for PHP for websites? I was thinking of making a little forum just to see if i can, but i've just started learning Python and wanna put it to some use. i'm not lazy,though, i'll learn PHP later!


BTW, Now out of interest which is the next simplest language to learn for a novice that can be compiled into binary as well?

Ooble

Of course it is - you just need a host that supports it.

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megamind5005

err.. any of u guys know of any hosts that support python for that kinda stuff?

thechristelegacy

All you need is a host that has Python on their computers. I think it's more common then not. Almost all the hosts I've scene that run linx have a version of Python installed. YOu write a Python CGI script the same way you would with perl. There is a whole class for python cgi also that comes with it.