grumpy

A number of long time posters disagreed with various arbitrary actions by admins, and complaints were repeatedly ignored. Issue came to a head over a relatively minor issue (moving of sticky threads to an FAQ forums), when one of the people complaining (Dawei_M) decided to persist. He was still ignored, but still persisted. The result was a series of threads about the issue being deleted, and that person being banned. The main thread on these issues are either deleted or heavily edited to give an impression of the administrators being attacked completely unreasonably. While it is true the issue was pushed, the admins contributed significantly to the situation by completely ignoring or shutting down any disagreement with them.

If others involved disagree with this quick summary, I'm sure they'll be quick to point it out!

Spectre5

Then the admin's realized what the problem was and fixed it.....it was basically the problem that everyone was telling them about for a few weeks....(PS: I thought Dawei's comment was great...."and so if your mind" or something along those lines....even though this probably means nothing to those non ex-dev-shedders since you don't know what it was commeting about....and by the time I typed all this I could have typed the entire conversation, but oh well...I'll go to bed instead )

stevengs

[quote=grumpy]A number of long time posters...QUOTE]

Not only do I aspire Grumpy's logical thinking, but his objectivity as well. I get all worked up and tend to use more 'colorful' language (although I do make an effort to control myself).


my sig has no relation to anything whatsoever except possibly to Rowan Atkinson's excellent BlackAdder series.

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grumpy

That only comes with experience.

Work out how you would approach the following problem, and you will be a little closer to being able to muster logical and objective arguments.

A project manager has dedicated several months to developing a project management strategy, and he has staked his career on its worth. One of his cornerstone assumptions is derived from a throw-away line from a marketeer he has known and trusted for years that development of a certain product is routine for his company. You evaluate that development as requiring some poor engineer to successfully implement, within six months, a product that violates basic laws of physics. The project manager knows absolutely nothing about science and has a reputation for routinely dismissing technical arguments as irrelevant. Work out how you would inform the project manager that there may be some problems with his project management strategy. Illegal or immoral acts and rough language are not allowed.

stevengs

If he stubbornly ignores any attempts to explain that his critical path is falsely calculated due to a spurious assumption on the event dependencies relative to said Node of his PERT, I would certainly hope my career does not somehow hinge apon his success as a project manager. Another possibility depends on the existence of an "open-door" policy within company.

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grumpy

Stevengs, you've just shown you have a long way to go. The problem is one that may be unsolvable, but if the first option you consider involves falling on your sword or covering your butt rather than fulfilling your responsibilities, you fail automatically.

nnxion

Someone asked the admins to return the forum sticky. The admin at Dev Shed said: "Cant someone just replicate it? Its the weekend and our offices are closed." Then DaWei said: "So are your minds." Then the admin said: "And now so is your account. Buh bye."
People including: mitakeet, grumpy, The Dark, Ancient Dragon, infamous41md, coldshadow and me found that to be a stupid move and we decided to leave. I mailed all those people and tried to get them back together, someone found this place and here we are.
People that also found the bannishment way too harsh and left are: stevengs, EverLearning, Nellie and possibly more.

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nnxion

grumpy, are you saying that you just have to follow orders, and you would not try to convince your project mangager that the laws of physics should be respected, even in your project?

Of course don't fall on your sword, and if the project manager really wants you to implement that, then just do what he says.

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Ooble

Leave my cat alone! He's mine to shoot!

And if you can't work out why the cat's shot nine times, perhaps you should go away and think about it for a while.

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grumpy

My point is that the situation makes you responsible for bringing an issue to light which will affect project outcomes.
How would you suggest implementing something that involves an incidental violation of the laws of physics?