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Dietrich · May 15th, 2005, 11:24 AM

I have tried two IDEs for Python programming and either one is less than perfect.

IDLE does freeze up all too often against an imaginary firewall.

PythonWin has an annoying way to intercept the raw_input() function and puts it in a separate window. This is on the stupid side of things, since it obscures the Python Shell and you can't see the result. Is there a way to avoid this? The Python input statement is its weakest part and to louse this up with the IDE is unforgivable!

Talking about the weakest part, are there other ways to get an input? I tried sys.stdin.read, but PythonWin intercepts that too!

Any good IDEs out there?

Sane · May 15th, 2005, 11:58 AM

Sorry I can't help. But I've tagged this post because I would like to know too. Idle GUI is a piece of crap. :p

Ooble · May 15th, 2005, 12:56 PM

IDLE works well enough for me, personally.

Sane · May 15th, 2005, 1:59 PM

I got recommendations for this one over IRC:

DrPython - http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/d...2.exe?download

LOI Kratong · May 15th, 2005, 3:36 PM

Ye, i always found IDLE alright myself, didn't have any trouble with it..

hydroxide · May 15th, 2005, 7:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOI Kratong

Ye, i always found IDLE alright myself, didn't have any trouble with it..

<aol>Me Too!</aol>
The only problem I find with IDLE is with badly behaved programs using TKinter or Pygame that don't quit properly, which can leave IDLE hanging until you reset the shell.

--OH.

Dietrich · May 16th, 2005, 8:01 AM

Does anyone use PyDev? I keep reading the features on
http://pydev.sourceforge.net/features.html
and it sounds real good.

The only hangup, at least for me, is that it uses Eclipse. One heck of a download for my slow connection.

In the meantime I am using PythonWin for anything without a user input, and IDLE for the input programs. IDLE hangs up when I try to experiment with the code too much!

hydroxide · May 17th, 2005, 2:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dietrich

IDLE hangs up when I try to experiment with the code too much!

Hmm ... what are you running at the time?
It sounds like either:
a/ you need a Tkinter.quit() call (or whatever - I can't recall offhand exactly)
b/ you need a pygame.quit() call
c/ You're getting stuck in an infinite loop (well technically that's what a/ and b/ are too... ;-)

Can you boil down a short sample program that consistantly hangs IDLE?

--OH.

Dietrich · May 18th, 2005, 9:09 AM

I think it is the firewall settings on my particular computer, because error messages always bring up the word firewall. On my notebook I have no problems with IDLE.

Does anybody have experience with other user inputs?

hydroxide · May 18th, 2005, 8:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dietrich

I think it is the firewall settings on my particular computer, because error messages always bring up the word firewall.

Ah =P

Configure your firewall to allow pythonw.exe (??) to connect to 127.0.0.1 [loopback] port 8833

--OH.

May 15th, 2005, 11:24 AM	#1
Dietrich Professional Programmer Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 434 Rep Power: 4	IDEs for Python I have tried two IDEs for Python programming and either one is less than perfect. IDLE does freeze up all too often against an imaginary firewall. PythonWin has an annoying way to intercept the raw_input() function and puts it in a separate window. This is on the stupid side of things, since it obscures the Python Shell and you can't see the result. Is there a way to avoid this? The Python input statement is its weakest part and to louse this up with the IDE is unforgivable! Talking about the weakest part, are there other ways to get an input? I tried sys.stdin.read, but PythonWin intercepts that too! Any good IDEs out there? __________________ I looked it up on the Intergnats!

May 15th, 2005, 11:58 AM	#2
Sane Programming Guru Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Ontario Posts: 1,835 Rep Power: 5	Sorry I can't help. But I've tagged this post because I would like to know too. Idle GUI is a piece of crap. :p __________________ Waterloo's Canadian Computing Competition (CCC) - Stage 2 Problems, Solutions, and Test Data

May 15th, 2005, 12:56 PM	#3
Ooble I eat cake for breakfast. Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: In my box. Posts: 4,434 Rep Power: 9	IDLE works well enough for me, personally. __________________ Me :: You :: Them

May 15th, 2005, 1:59 PM	#4
Sane Programming Guru Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Ontario Posts: 1,835 Rep Power: 5	I got recommendations for this one over IRC: DrPython - http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/d...2.exe?download __________________ Waterloo's Canadian Computing Competition (CCC) - Stage 2 Problems, Solutions, and Test Data

May 15th, 2005, 3:36 PM	#5
LOI Kratong Professional Programmer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Woo - Boot Sector! Posts: 294 Rep Power: 4	Ye, i always found IDLE alright myself, didn't have any trouble with it.. __________________ www.heldtogether.co.uk

May 16th, 2005, 8:01 AM	#7
Dietrich Professional Programmer Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 434 Rep Power: 4	Does anyone use PyDev? I keep reading the features on http://pydev.sourceforge.net/features.html and it sounds real good. The only hangup, at least for me, is that it uses Eclipse. One heck of a download for my slow connection. In the meantime I am using PythonWin for anything without a user input, and IDLE for the input programs. IDLE hangs up when I try to experiment with the code too much! __________________ I looked it up on the Intergnats!

May 18th, 2005, 9:09 AM	#9
Dietrich Professional Programmer Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 434 Rep Power: 4	I think it is the firewall settings on my particular computer, because error messages always bring up the word firewall. On my notebook I have no problems with IDLE. Does anybody have experience with other user inputs? __________________ I looked it up on the Intergnats!

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