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java_roshan · Apr 13th, 2005, 10:28 AM

Wow!, looking at the date which it was asked and the day it has got its first reply implies that there is something missing....

Mjordan2nd · Apr 13th, 2005, 3:13 PM

Probably because BloodNinja has been gone so long.

bl00dninja · Apr 15th, 2005, 3:19 AM

actually f*** that, learn C. i myself was brushing up on my C at work today and there is so much you can learn from that language that will help you out a WHOLE LOT when you get to C++. hell, you can learn the two together.

BaroN NighT · Apr 15th, 2005, 7:08 AM

You can learn C++ without knowing C. I did that

. And no problem at all. C++ is more powerful and more easy to use than C. It has more features than C and like the previous posters said, C syntax might confuse you. I'd strongly recommend learning C++!!!

Ooble · Apr 15th, 2005, 6:12 PM

Generally, C code is more efficient, and you have more control over what you're doing. I recommend going with that.

Eggbert · Apr 15th, 2005, 8:30 PM

>>-Which is better to start with? C or C++? And why
This is a very good question, and it has no satisfactory answer. The best you will get are opinions that vary greatly. So the wisest course of action is to research both languages and learning the one you find more comfortable.

>>-How do I use a compiler properly (I am used to python interpreters)...
A compiler is much like an interpreter with an extra step involved. Instead of simply running source code through the interpreter, you compile source code into an executable binary that can be run.

>>-And where can I get a good free compiler and if possible an IDE?
Bloodshed's Dev-C++ seems to be a popular IDE, and the compiler it uses-GNU GCC-is a good one.

>>Generally, C code is more efficient
If well written C and well written C++ that do the same thing using their strengths are compared, any performance difference will be negligable. And the difference may or may not favor C. Don't forget that one of the guiding principles of C++ is comparable performance with C. This should not be a reason to learn C instead of C++.

>>and you have more control over what you're doing
Your statement is both vague and debatable.

Ooble · Apr 17th, 2005, 2:31 PM

I just re-read that. Seems I was being more than a little vague. I'll let you do the explaining, seeing as you have decades more experience than me.

Infinite Recursion · Apr 18th, 2005, 10:18 PM

Listen to Eggbert, he is wise.

iignotus · Apr 19th, 2005, 12:10 PM

Not throwing out a personal opinion, really, but it seems to be the consensus among many auxillary programmers and writers that C is on it's way out as far as being functional, and C++ is taking its place. Take that as you may.

Now, personally, I think both should be learned completely... they are different enough to warrant their own uses in different places, as well as the fact that only knowing one will likely lock you out of a project that is written in the other (as long as it is sufficiently complex). As for which one to start out with, I would choose C++. I say this because I learned C first a year before I learned C++, and it took me that much longer to fully catch on to C++'s OO functionality.

As long as you can see that C++ is being used more and more everyday, I think that's what you should go with learning first. Then learn C for legacy support of older code you may want to work on.

Apr 13th, 2005, 10:28 AM	#11
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Apr 13th, 2005, 3:13 PM	#12
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Apr 15th, 2005, 3:19 AM	#13
bl00dninja Programming Guru Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: namespace std Posts: 1,246 Rep Power: 5	actually f*** that, learn C. i myself was brushing up on my C at work today and there is so much you can learn from that language that will help you out a WHOLE LOT when you get to C++. hell, you can learn the two together. __________________ i put on my robe and wizard hat... Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?...Morons.

Apr 15th, 2005, 6:12 PM	#15
Ooble I eat cake for breakfast. Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: In my box. Posts: 4,434 Rep Power: 9	Generally, C code is more efficient, and you have more control over what you're doing. I recommend going with that. __________________ Me :: You :: Them

Apr 17th, 2005, 2:31 PM	#17
Ooble I eat cake for breakfast. Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: In my box. Posts: 4,434 Rep Power: 9	I just re-read that. Seems I was being more than a little vague. I'll let you do the explaining, seeing as you have decades more experience than me. __________________ Me :: You :: Them

Apr 15th, 2005, 7:08 AM	#14
BaroN NighT Programmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Posts: 60 Rep Power: 4	You can learn C++ without knowing C. I did that . And no problem at all. C++ is more powerful and more easy to use than C. It has more features than C and like the previous posters said, C syntax might confuse you. I'd strongly recommend learning C++!!!

Apr 15th, 2005, 8:30 PM	#16
Eggbert Professional Programmer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 250 Rep Power: 4	>>-Which is better to start with? C or C++? And why This is a very good question, and it has no satisfactory answer. The best you will get are opinions that vary greatly. So the wisest course of action is to research both languages and learning the one you find more comfortable. >>-How do I use a compiler properly (I am used to python interpreters)... A compiler is much like an interpreter with an extra step involved. Instead of simply running source code through the interpreter, you compile source code into an executable binary that can be run. >>-And where can I get a good free compiler and if possible an IDE? Bloodshed's Dev-C++ seems to be a popular IDE, and the compiler it uses-GNU GCC-is a good one. >>Generally, C code is more efficient If well written C and well written C++ that do the same thing using their strengths are compared, any performance difference will be negligable. And the difference may or may not favor C. Don't forget that one of the guiding principles of C++ is comparable performance with C. This should not be a reason to learn C instead of C++. >>and you have more control over what you're doing Your statement is both vague and debatable.

Apr 18th, 2005, 10:18 PM	#18
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Apr 19th, 2005, 12:10 PM	#19
iignotus Professional Programmer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Nowhere Special Posts: 466 Rep Power: 4	Not throwing out a personal opinion, really, but it seems to be the consensus among many auxillary programmers and writers that C is on it's way out as far as being functional, and C++ is taking its place. Take that as you may. Now, personally, I think both should be learned completely... they are different enough to warrant their own uses in different places, as well as the fact that only knowing one will likely lock you out of a project that is written in the other (as long as it is sufficiently complex). As for which one to start out with, I would choose C++. I say this because I learned C first a year before I learned C++, and it took me that much longer to fully catch on to C++'s OO functionality. As long as you can see that C++ is being used more and more everyday, I think that's what you should go with learning first. Then learn C for legacy support of older code you may want to work on. __________________ (Toggle Plain Text) % rc4 hexkey < input > output #define S ,t=s[i],s[i]=s[j],s[j]=t /* rc4 hexkey <file / unsigned char k[256],s[256],i,j,t;main(c,v,e)charv;{++v;while(++i)s[ i]=i;for(c=0;(v)++;k[c++]=e)sscanf((v)++-1,"%2x",&e);while(j+=s[i] +k[i%c]S,++i);for(j=0;c=~getchar();putchar(~c^s[t+=s[i]]))j+=s[++i]S;}

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