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HippyVanMan · Feb 17th, 2007, 9:30 AM

I'm interested in programming in BASIC, but I'd like to here some opinions on the best or most popular cross-platform basic languages, so as I can code under Ubuntu and under XP.
I want to program in BASIC because I'm not a complete idiot and have programmed, albeit poorly in other languages, and BASIC looks very easy to pick up, and I'd like to spend about an hour on it later today, but I don't want to pick a rubbishy dialect of BASIC. I also don't want things like visual basic, or it's linux copy-cats, vb makes me feel ill, i'd like plain old, nice simply, retro, basic. Also, I'd like a compilable variety, I mean, interpreters are good so if theres a sort with an interpreter and a compiler that's good. But I also don't want to code in the sort of basic where the only two known coders are myself and a fifty year old man who lived with his mum in texas.

Thank you for any recommendations or even better links.

DaWei · Feb 17th, 2007, 11:01 AM

BASIC (I presume you mean the original Dartmouth Basic or one of it's derivatives) is a terrible language for programming. I'm a 66-year old man who lived in Texas (with his mum, until age 18); I speak of BASIC, thus, with the requisite authority.

Arevos · Feb 17th, 2007, 11:16 AM

BASIC is rare outside the Visual Basic family of dialects, and most BASIC implementations are interpreted. Indeed, the design of BASIC was influenced by the need to make it easily interpreted by computers with little computational power. Additionally, plain BASIC is rather limited as a language, and does not have the best reputation for teaching good programming techniques.

It won't be long before "Python" is mentioned, so I'll mention it now. Python has linguistic similarities to BASIC, whilst having a far larger base of users, and is a programming language frequently recommended to newcomers. It's cross platform, has a large standard library, and whilst it doesn't have a compiler, you can make standalone executables via py2exe.

I'll give you a quick comparison between the two languages, with a small application that prints out the times tables of a user entered number. Here is the application in the QBASIC dialect:

 qbasic Syntax (Toggle Plain Text) 
PRINT "This application will print out the times table of any number you enter"
INPUT "Please enter a number: ", multiple%
PRINT
FOR %number = 1 TO 12
    PRINT number%; " x "; multiple%; " = "; number% * multple%
NEXT %i
PRINT "This application will print out the times table of any number you enter"
INPUT "Please enter a number: ", multiple%
PRINT
FOR %number = 1 TO 12
    PRINT number%; " x "; multiple%; " = "; number% * multple%
NEXT %i

And here is the same program in Python:

 python Syntax (Toggle Plain Text) 
print "This application will print out the times table of any number you enter"
multiple = raw_input("Please enter a number: ")
print
for number in range(1, 13):
    print number, "x", multiple, "=", number * multiple
print "This application will print out the times table of any number you enter"
multiple = raw_input("Please enter a number: ")
print
for number in range(1, 13):
    print number, "x", multiple, "=", number * multiple

For simple applications, the BASIC code is rather similar to the Python code. However, the advantages of Python are that it is faster, more widely used, and supports more advanced features should the programmer require them. With BASIC, you will hit the wall of what the language is capable of far sooner than with Python.

For instance, in Python its relatively easy to return a list of all URLs linked from a website:

 python Syntax (Toggle Plain Text) 
import sys
from urllib import urlopen
from urlparse import urljoin
from BeautifulSoup import BeautifulSoup
 
# Get url specified by the first command line argument
url = sys.argv[1]
 
# Parse the HTML of the webpage using the BeautifulSoup parser
soup = BeautifulSoup(urlopen(url))
 
# Iterate over all link tags:
for link in soup.findAll('a'):
    if "href" in link.attrs:
        print urljoin(url, link["href"])   # print out the full URL of the link
import sys
from urllib import urlopen
from urlparse import urljoin
from BeautifulSoup import BeautifulSoup

# Get url specified by the first command line argument
url = sys.argv[1]

# Parse the HTML of the webpage using the BeautifulSoup parser
soup = BeautifulSoup(urlopen(url))

# Iterate over all link tags:
for link in soup.findAll('a'):
    if "href" in link.attrs:
        print urljoin(url, link["href"])   # print out the full URL of the link

Whilst most variants of BASIC (especially the older ones) don't even have the necessary libraries to access the net in this fashion.

mrynit · Feb 17th, 2007, 8:58 PM

you want http://freebasic.net/

Quote:

FreeBASIC - as the name suggests - is a completely free, open-source, 32-bit BASIC compiler, with the syntax the most compatible possible with MS-QuickBASIC, that adds new features such as pointers, unsigned data types, inline-assembly and many others

FreeBASIC can use alot of 32bit dll files like winsock allegro sdl openGl and much more. its a great langauge to make simple games.

FreeBASIC is crossplatform linux DOS and windows.

Indigno · Feb 17th, 2007, 10:21 PM

Qbasic really isn't good for more than making simple games or just screwing around with. If that's what you plan on doing, then ^.

Grich · Sep 23rd, 2007, 6:43 PM

I am a big BASIC fan. It was my first language.
The Quick BASIC compiler / IDE is still good. I run it on my XP platform, and it is still happy. It is hard to find, but, search for Quick Basic 4.5 or go to phatcode.net and look on the compiler page for version 4.5.
I used FreeBasic as while, and I HATE it. Too New School. I like old school.
Also, some of the new student calculators have the BASIC language built in for macros, it is very powerful though.
Hope this information helps.

DaWei · Sep 23rd, 2007, 7:03 PM

Please try to avoid dragging up old threads.

Feb 17th, 2007, 9:30 AM	#1
HippyVanMan Newbie Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	BASIC - the best sort... I'm interested in programming in BASIC, but I'd like to here some opinions on the best or most popular cross-platform basic languages, so as I can code under Ubuntu and under XP. I want to program in BASIC because I'm not a complete idiot and have programmed, albeit poorly in other languages, and BASIC looks very easy to pick up, and I'd like to spend about an hour on it later today, but I don't want to pick a rubbishy dialect of BASIC. I also don't want things like visual basic, or it's linux copy-cats, vb makes me feel ill, i'd like plain old, nice simply, retro, basic. Also, I'd like a compilable variety, I mean, interpreters are good so if theres a sort with an interpreter and a compiler that's good. But I also don't want to code in the sort of basic where the only two known coders are myself and a fifty year old man who lived with his mum in texas. Thank you for any recommendations or even better links.

Feb 17th, 2007, 11:01 AM	#2
DaWei Resident Grouch Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,453 Rep Power: 10	BASIC (I presume you mean the original Dartmouth Basic or one of it's derivatives) is a terrible language for programming. I'm a 66-year old man who lived in Texas (with his mum, until age 18); I speak of BASIC, thus, with the requisite authority. __________________ Abstraction doesn't make it impossible to write bad code; it makes it possible to write superior code. Contributor's Corner: Grumpy on C++ Exceptions DaWei on Pointers

Feb 17th, 2007, 11:16 AM	#3
Arevos Programming Guru Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: England Posts: 1,499 Rep Power: 4	BASIC is rare outside the Visual Basic family of dialects, and most BASIC implementations are interpreted. Indeed, the design of BASIC was influenced by the need to make it easily interpreted by computers with little computational power. Additionally, plain BASIC is rather limited as a language, and does not have the best reputation for teaching good programming techniques. It won't be long before "Python" is mentioned, so I'll mention it now. Python has linguistic similarities to BASIC, whilst having a far larger base of users, and is a programming language frequently recommended to newcomers. It's cross platform, has a large standard library, and whilst it doesn't have a compiler, you can make standalone executables via py2exe. I'll give you a quick comparison between the two languages, with a small application that prints out the times tables of a user entered number. Here is the application in the QBASIC dialect: qbasic Syntax (Toggle Plain Text) PRINT "This application will print out the times table of any number you enter" INPUT "Please enter a number: ", multiple% PRINT FOR %number = 1 TO 12 PRINT number%; " x "; multiple%; " = "; number% * multple% NEXT %i PRINT "This application will print out the times table of any number you enter" INPUT "Please enter a number: ", multiple% PRINT FOR %number = 1 TO 12 PRINT number%; " x "; multiple%; " = "; number% * multple% NEXT %i And here is the same program in Python: python Syntax (Toggle Plain Text) print "This application will print out the times table of any number you enter" multiple = raw_input("Please enter a number: ") print for number in range(1, 13): print number, "x", multiple, "=", number * multiple print "This application will print out the times table of any number you enter" multiple = raw_input("Please enter a number: ") print for number in range(1, 13): print number, "x", multiple, "=", number * multiple For simple applications, the BASIC code is rather similar to the Python code. However, the advantages of Python are that it is faster, more widely used, and supports more advanced features should the programmer require them. With BASIC, you will hit the wall of what the language is capable of far sooner than with Python. For instance, in Python its relatively easy to return a list of all URLs linked from a website: python Syntax (Toggle Plain Text) import sys from urllib import urlopen from urlparse import urljoin from BeautifulSoup import BeautifulSoup # Get url specified by the first command line argument url = sys.argv[1] # Parse the HTML of the webpage using the BeautifulSoup parser soup = BeautifulSoup(urlopen(url)) # Iterate over all link tags: for link in soup.findAll('a'): if "href" in link.attrs: print urljoin(url, link["href"]) # print out the full URL of the link import sys from urllib import urlopen from urlparse import urljoin from BeautifulSoup import BeautifulSoup # Get url specified by the first command line argument url = sys.argv[1] # Parse the HTML of the webpage using the BeautifulSoup parser soup = BeautifulSoup(urlopen(url)) # Iterate over all link tags: for link in soup.findAll('a'): if "href" in link.attrs: print urljoin(url, link["href"]) # print out the full URL of the link Whilst most variants of BASIC (especially the older ones) don't even have the necessary libraries to access the net in this fashion.

Feb 17th, 2007, 10:21 PM	#5
Indigno Professional Programmer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Anywhere non-productive Posts: 267 Rep Power: 0	Qbasic really isn't good for more than making simple games or just screwing around with. If that's what you plan on doing, then ^. __________________ Perhaps I should have a sticky topic for all of the times I "return" to this forum instead of a new one every time.

Sep 23rd, 2007, 7:03 PM	#7
DaWei Resident Grouch Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,453 Rep Power: 10	Please try to avoid dragging up old threads. __________________ Abstraction doesn't make it impossible to write bad code; it makes it possible to write superior code. Contributor's Corner: Grumpy on C++ Exceptions DaWei on Pointers

Sep 23rd, 2007, 6:43 PM	#6
Grich Hobbyist Programmer Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sydney - Australia Posts: 148 Rep Power: 1	I am a big BASIC fan. It was my first language. The Quick BASIC compiler / IDE is still good. I run it on my XP platform, and it is still happy. It is hard to find, but, search for Quick Basic 4.5 or go to phatcode.net and look on the compiler page for version 4.5. I used FreeBasic as while, and I HATE it. Too New School. I like old school. Also, some of the new student calculators have the BASIC language built in for macros, it is very powerful though. Hope this information helps.

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