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pal · Sep 28th, 2006, 10:01 PM

Actually, using Visual Studio .NET or Visual Web Developer Express, is pretty easy, you can get genuine database up and running in no time without extensive coding. You can simply drag and drop .NET components into the design. Cool thing about it is that you could also have full control over your ASP.NET code. You can use C# or VB.NET for the programming language, I use C#. If you're a beginner on server-side scripting languages like php or perl, you could consider using ASP.NET with visual studio, you don't really have to learn alot about the language itself. Check out www.asp.net, they have some good asp.net tutorials using both VB.NET and C#. If you want to run ASP.NET on the server you'll need IIS (or windows server) or probably Mono (if the server is linux).

DaWei · Sep 28th, 2006, 10:11 PM

I'm thinking he's primarily going to have to use what they have, and I'm guessing it's not a .NET-centric suite....

What is a "genuine database"??

I thought the ones mentioned were.

George Harrison · Sep 29th, 2006, 5:31 PM

hmm.. well today didn't go that well but I saved myself by throwing together a small gui in windows forms/C# with buttons that don't execute anything but it was just to show off what it could look like I guess. I grew impatient and ran out of time with the php stuff, I googled and googled yet only came up with php-gtk but I might have been making my searches too specific. I also skimmed the php docs lightly but not too much, just using ctrl+f with a search for "gui" but found little.

The server at school is apache 1.x and mysql but I forgot the version number. I was reading around that C# apps can run under apache with ease. mysql is a little bit trickier but it can be done I guess. I don't really like the idea of asp at the moment, from tutorials I think I can use html without asp, just a <form> like this:

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<html>
<form action=http://127.0.0.1/cgi-bin/new.exe>
<input type=submit value=search>
</form>
</html>

but now I'm baffled on actually coding the app, drag/drop was easy but I have to first code the buttons and then add source to where it 'talks' to the mysql software on our servers. I'll google around a bit and overall learn areas of C#, hopefully this won't take longer than 2 weeks. btw, if I am completely wrong about the asp and IIS stuff please tell me because I don't really know, these are primarily assumptions and other people's explanations through tutorials. Also, I could very well be not looking in the correct places for the php gui stuff as well so if anyone could point me in the right direction that would be quite nice. Thanks.

DaWei · Sep 29th, 2006, 7:36 PM

If your user interface is a browser, as you suggest, GUI stuff on the server side will do you no good. The GUI will have to be implemented on the browser with HTML. Java could be used, but that's a steep curve for you. The HTML that the client receives in order to render the GUI can be written by you directly, or indirectly, using server-side code, such as PHP. You're not trying to put a GUI on the server, but on the client.

I'm not sure you understand the workings of a client-server under HTTP. It is not a direct connection; there is no true interaction. It is more like a pair of walkie-talkies than like a telephone. The client initiates the request. The addressed server, if found, returns a response. This response normally includes HTML, which the browser uses to render the visible page. The connection is then dropped. The process is stateless. The concept of continuing sessions is purely artificial.

Wizard1988 · Sep 29th, 2006, 8:08 PM

Basically you will be using HTML forms to get all your data.
HTML alone can't work with databases, and this is why you need a server side language. You might want to look at this.
I hope this helps

DaWei · Sep 29th, 2006, 9:01 PM

Here's an example of an HTML-generated user interface in two user-caused states. The whole site is database driven, using PHP and mySQL. The cart and order pages look more like tables, of course. Anything that is not in inventory disappears and can't be purchased. The pages are redacted and presented as images so as not to represent advertising for my client.

George Harrison · Sep 29th, 2006, 11:07 PM

ok, I think I'm finally understanding the technical details now and although I feel enlightened I kind of feel dumb as well, but I get it now so it's all good. A word of thanks goes out to dawei for source examples and everyone else that provided links and opinions, wizard's link especially helped considering the tut dealt specifically with order forms - you're a good googler. Anyhoo, you guys are cool

thanks for helping out.

Sep 28th, 2006, 10:11 PM	#12
DaWei Resident Grouch Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,453 Rep Power: 10	I'm thinking he's primarily going to have to use what they have, and I'm guessing it's not a .NET-centric suite.... What is a "genuine database"?? I thought the ones mentioned were. __________________ Abstraction doesn't make it impossible to write bad code; it makes it possible to write superior code. Contributor's Corner: Grumpy on C++ Exceptions DaWei on Pointers

Sep 29th, 2006, 5:31 PM	#13
George Harrison Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Pepperland Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	hmm.. well today didn't go that well but I saved myself by throwing together a small gui in windows forms/C# with buttons that don't execute anything but it was just to show off what it could look like I guess. I grew impatient and ran out of time with the php stuff, I googled and googled yet only came up with php-gtk but I might have been making my searches too specific. I also skimmed the php docs lightly but not too much, just using ctrl+f with a search for "gui" but found little. The server at school is apache 1.x and mysql but I forgot the version number. I was reading around that C# apps can run under apache with ease. mysql is a little bit trickier but it can be done I guess. I don't really like the idea of asp at the moment, from tutorials I think I can use html without asp, just a <form> like this: (Toggle Plain Text) <html> <form action=http://127.0.0.1/cgi-bin/new.exe> <input type=submit value=search> </form> </html> <html> <form action=http://127.0.0.1/cgi-bin/new.exe> <input type=submit value=search> </form> </html> but now I'm baffled on actually coding the app, drag/drop was easy but I have to first code the buttons and then add source to where it 'talks' to the mysql software on our servers. I'll google around a bit and overall learn areas of C#, hopefully this won't take longer than 2 weeks. btw, if I am completely wrong about the asp and IIS stuff please tell me because I don't really know, these are primarily assumptions and other people's explanations through tutorials. Also, I could very well be not looking in the correct places for the php gui stuff as well so if anyone could point me in the right direction that would be quite nice. Thanks.

Sep 29th, 2006, 7:36 PM	#14
DaWei Resident Grouch Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,453 Rep Power: 10	If your user interface is a browser, as you suggest, GUI stuff on the server side will do you no good. The GUI will have to be implemented on the browser with HTML. Java could be used, but that's a steep curve for you. The HTML that the client receives in order to render the GUI can be written by you directly, or indirectly, using server-side code, such as PHP. You're not trying to put a GUI on the server, but on the client. I'm not sure you understand the workings of a client-server under HTTP. It is not a direct connection; there is no true interaction. It is more like a pair of walkie-talkies than like a telephone. The client initiates the request. The addressed server, if found, returns a response. This response normally includes HTML, which the browser uses to render the visible page. The connection is then dropped. The process is stateless. The concept of continuing sessions is purely artificial. __________________ Abstraction doesn't make it impossible to write bad code; it makes it possible to write superior code. Contributor's Corner: Grumpy on C++ Exceptions DaWei on Pointers

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Wizard1988 Professional Programmer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Chitown Posts: 417 Rep Power: 3	Basically you will be using HTML forms to get all your data. HTML alone can't work with databases, and this is why you need a server side language. You might want to look at this. I hope this helps __________________ JG-Webdesign

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Sep 28th, 2006, 10:01 PM	#11
pal Programmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 90 Rep Power: 4	Actually, using Visual Studio .NET or Visual Web Developer Express, is pretty easy, you can get genuine database up and running in no time without extensive coding. You can simply drag and drop .NET components into the design. Cool thing about it is that you could also have full control over your ASP.NET code. You can use C# or VB.NET for the programming language, I use C#. If you're a beginner on server-side scripting languages like php or perl, you could consider using ASP.NET with visual studio, you don't really have to learn alot about the language itself. Check out www.asp.net, they have some good asp.net tutorials using both VB.NET and C#. If you want to run ASP.NET on the server you'll need IIS (or windows server) or probably Mono (if the server is linux).

Sep 29th, 2006, 11:07 PM	#17
George Harrison Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Pepperland Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	ok, I think I'm finally understanding the technical details now and although I feel enlightened I kind of feel dumb as well, but I get it now so it's all good. A word of thanks goes out to dawei for source examples and everyone else that provided links and opinions, wizard's link especially helped considering the tut dealt specifically with order forms - you're a good googler. Anyhoo, you guys are cool thanks for helping out.

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