bl00dninja

this may be redundant b/c of narue's comments but when i see THIS:
i think:

really! duRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

a professor works at an educational institution TEACHING.
they may have been out of industry for fucking YEARS.

this doesn't mean they can't teach you anything, computing changes rapidly and everyone has to be flexible. the concepts are the important part. if they can excercise your brain until it hurts, they've done their job. '99 wasn't that long ago kid. you probably have a prof that has great industry experience and a lot of teaching experience. learn how to think logically, and yeah, even if it's behind his back...get a REAL book. and if your uni emphasizes C rather than C++, maybe consider a transfer (OO can be a real system shock to the uninitiated).

good luck dude.

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bl00dninja

another thing that stood out:

my school GAVE me visual studio 6, 2003, & 2005...PRO.

wtf!?! are you using borland command line 5.5 or some shit?

i use all 3 based on the age of code i'm working with (makes life easier...i'm lazy).

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Thanks Narue. That cleared up a bit of confusion I had with C standards.

sixstringartist

we are required to use gcc on linux or unix machines provided in a lab, or connect to them using SSH.

btw I think hes still fairly active in programming projects/freeware.

I also would appriciate it if you didnt call me a kid. Im not a CS major so I dont care whether the university focuses on C or C++ since its 8th in the Country for its engineering program I think Im doing fine.

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Dont take what is said in forums to heart. The problem is in forums like this the average age of the members is late teens. Therefore some people treat everyone like they are a kid. I am not saying that having a younger membership is a bad thing for a froum as there are always mature and intelegent teenagers out there.

Complete crap. Firstly most CS courses start with java or c# these days so that is what they empasize. OO concepts are taught from the start and are used thoughout the degree program. Secondly C is much better for programming OS Kernels and other low level system apps than C++. I know a few EE students and they learned assembly and C in their first year. CS is not the only course where programming is taught and the high level constructs that C++ gives are normally of no interest to a EE studend using embeded systems. Some systems dont even have a C++ compiler so C and assembly are the only way to go. You are flaiming by saying what you did and are showing complete ignorance.

Also I would like to say that your school might have given you MS tools but they dont really work on OS's other than windows and BCC 5.5 is a good compiler (I guess you heve never even used it). Linux,Solaris and OS X are used far more than Windows at the university I go to so GCC is used widely. I suggest you think about what you are saying before you say it in the future instead of coming across as overly opinionated.

bl00dninja

yeah, didn't want to come across as difficult, doing things the hard way can be the best way to learn. my cs prof was using ".h" includes last semester in C++.

BTW, at your age i thought i was all that and a bag of chips, and of course i think so now. now i realize what a jerk i was then, and in another ten years i'll probably realize what i jerk i am now. :p

so yeah, you are a kid. (no hard feelings)

and to dawei et al, i'm a kid too.

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sixstringartist

Where exactly did I show "complete ignorace"?

What is the point here? I posted that we are required to use GCC, my school did not give me any MS tools, and Linux and Solaris are the primary OS's here so again, whats your point?

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@Sixtringartist I was not talking to you, I was talking to bl00dninja.

If you had read what I had said properly you would have seen that I was backing you up. I am sorry if you took offence to something which was not aimed at you. One thing I cant stand about you young guns is that you never read properly and take offence at the smallest things that are not even for you.

My point was to bl00dninja that his view that BCC 5.5 was not good was not what my view was. I was telling him that saying that essentially Visual Studio was better than everything else is slighly stupid as VS only runs on Windows. GCC is therefore a very good set of compilers for Linux etc. I was not saying at all that you are overly opinionated sixstringartist at all. I suggest to you that you try to read other peoples comments with what other people have said in mind. Not all comments in a thread started by you are aimed at you.

One last random point is that I am 30. So I am older than most of you all. I decided in my late 20's to have a slight carrear change and so saved up and started a CS degree. Its bloody hard to support a family whilst doing a degree. Looking back now when I was 20 I see that I was a real jerk and never respected my elders. Now that I have matured I tend to listen to people that have had more life experience and generally just ignore what some teenager who thinks he knows everything says. The more you know, the more you realise you dont know. Think about that for a few seconds.

Now no hard feelings to anyone here

sixstringartist

apologies, I dont know why I thought that was directed at me. :o

bl00dninja

anon is right, doing this crap at that age is difficult (doing it now), all too often screaming babies keep me from my school, while my job also does. and yeah, i was a bit tipsy when posting before, so diregard some of that.

i started with borland 5.5 and it's understandable that you have a compiler requirement. (it simplifies grading) also, you are being introduced to UNIX early, which is good...it's a very broad platform for many companies, and entirely relevant in this industry.

well of course VS only runs on windows, (it's also an industrial-strength application development tool). although using a slide-rule could help your mathematics skills better than a calculator, or maybe calculating logarithms using graph paper...

basically i did it the hard way for awhile, and i want to use pro tools to get used to them. i'm suprised that others would take a different view, but in another way, i understand doing things "the hard way".

good luck!

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