DaWei

Bullshit.

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angry_asian

QUOTE: what can you do with VB?
i think you can do more than what most ppl think. i have made many games and system apps that monitor overclocking. i have made simple but useful video card BIOS mods (cant do mainboard yet) but now im learning C++ cause tho tell you the truth you can do a lot more with it.
QUOTE: what is the advantage of using another language instead of VB?
you can do more. simple as that. VB is extremely high level and C++ programs will thus run faster. so just because its easy and good for somethings that does not make VB the roxxors
QUOTE: real computers (i.e. non-Windows)
yeah i have a windows computer, i think that it is real (i built it, felt all the parts, cut myself on it!!! how could i do that if it were mot real

Dragon_Master

VB is really for projects that need to be done fast. You can't do everything in it, because it's rather limited. I don't like it much manily because, it's not effient, can't do everything that C/++ can do with Windows API. And it's only made by microsoft. Although I do like the RAID, but VB is still very limited. it also makes stuff too easy, I like a challenge, it still kills me that I'm so use to IDEs...

zorin

Its not as simple as that though is it. All the things ive done in C++ could have been achived in visual basic. I always hear people say that applications run faster but is there any proof or is it just more speculation?

I also didn't say it "roxxors" I simply said that it has the capability to achive the goals of projects that ive been assigned to.

The only reason im asking is because it starts in a chain. An expert programmer states the facts why visual basic isnt as good as another language like C++ or Java and then people who are easly influnced like you tell everybody false reasons why visual basic "sucks" I honestly don't care about things people say like "other languages are faster" unless they have evidence to support it.

Can anyone who has more experience on this forum tell me some of the facts as to why other languages are more useful than visual basic? I know visual basic dosen't teach you the fundamentals of programming because you don't really have to know alot like the varibles are shown when you type code etc:- and thats the reason I decided to learn C++ in the first place, but I took other people's suggestions without looking at why other languages are better so I hope someone here can expand and explain as to why everyone thinks visual basic's a piece of crap and why other languages are better.

DaWei

You're correct in many senses. Not every reason, even if good, is based on pure fact. In the first place, VB was proprietary. That's not a huge factor if you live in a world of PCs and MS operating systems, but there are many, many more systems that aren't. Personally, I dislike niggling little syntactical things in VB that are warts, to me.

As to speed, certainly one can write both fast and slow code in C++ (or C). I would hazard a guess that many people that pump the "speed" to you can't actually produce it. Whether or not VB is 'slow' or not is going to depend to some extent on what you write and what built-in facilities you use (and how effective or layered in interface they are).

The fact is that people have a tendency to grasp at edicts, right or wrong, and propagate them. If one quotes an 'expert', one sounds just like an 'expert', right? The expert might have been quoted out of context, but oh well, what the hell.

I personally consider C++ superior on many fronts. It's more applicable, in my estimation. I've done dozens of projects where I couldn't afford to use it, though. The costs of resources varies as technology changes. A statement that was pure fact yesterday may be bullshit today. I would just take a lot of what you hear with a shaker of salt. Investigate what you come up against, and form your own opinions. That doesn't mean to disregard others, but to be careful.

Now, if you'll excuse me, talking about shakers of salt reminds me that it's margarita time.

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bl00dninja

by "angry asian"
not really "simple as that". have a nice warm glass of STFU on me. please don't litter informative threads with crap, especially when your "what language should i learn, tee-hee" thread is still on the new posts list.

don't take that the wrong way, it sounds harsh, but stick around. we want to help, we can also be assholes to each other...it's the way boys play. especially nerdy boys like us.

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ShadowAssasin

Yeah.

Probably %75 of the people who bash microsoft don't even know why they're bashing them.


(@asian: man, you sure didn't waste time adding "learning c++" to your list!)

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Mad_guy

Visual BASIC as far as I'm concerned, as a language, isn't horrid. There are things that trouble me (such as you can use variables you didn't declare,) however, the language is simplistic and with a combonation of the RAD environment you can make some pretty complex stuff in a short amount of time.

Personally I find that Delphi is really quite a lot better if you ask me. It has it's various problems too; what mainly bugs me (although this seems like a little more of a developers problem) is that the IDE seems to baby you a little to much and so it makes some Delphi programmers complete component whores. But I find that not only as a language, but as a RAD environment it is truly a lot better overall. The language however is much less popular, so it has a smaller userbase, but for the most part it's still fairly large.

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I had to use VB6 at school, and it was a pile of rubbish. For one it was buggy, if you had a program which did more than have a few buttons and a messagebox it would sometimes have bugs that you could not reproduce. An example of one is enums. Sometimes it would compile and run, sometimes it would complain that i had not declared the enum. I had to restart the whole VB editor and then compile for it to believe that i had declared the enum.

VB.net is really just so that VB6 programmers can write programs for .net. The syntax is retarded. One example is the inherits keyword. The inherits keyword has to be on the line below the class name declaration, i dont see how that makes the code any clearer to understand.

If you are new to programming theses days and you want to program on windows you might as well use C#. For one its got less keywords, and so its easier to remember. And two the keywords are less than 6 characters usually and so there is less chance of a spelling mistake. But if your gona learn C# use mono, and GTK#, at least then your not using something that is proprietary. If i ever have to program in VB again i think i would slit my wrists.

Dragon_Master

I bash Microsoft, because there programs are ineffient,(take up alot of hard drive space, and alot of system resources), and have no respect for security.