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sixstringartist · Oct 11th, 2005, 5:20 PM

An interest group of mine has its own website. We pay <insert amount> to keep it running.... but why.... why pay? What does it take to have a website of your own without paying for it? I have little understanding of how domain names are used. Do you need your own server? How does this work?

DaWei · Oct 11th, 2005, 5:26 PM

Why pay? The infrastructure of the internet cost money to put together, and it costs money to keep it running. Machines that move data about, and machines that look up domain names and cross them to IP addresses cost money. Maintaining them costs money. Writing software for them costs money. If you get your own server, you will probably pay money for it (unless you have an angel). Keeping it running will cost money, unless you have an angel. If you manage to set up your own server and get a domain name and get all the organizational things that go into keeping all that running, then you are just a leech with an angel. Get real. Think.

Infinite Recursion · Oct 11th, 2005, 5:26 PM

Have your own box with static IP address (preferably), install Apache web server, MySql for database, PHP for programming... all of which are free. Register a domain name with someone like Go-Daddy (godaddy.com) or check with Kurifu for hosting options. Last I checked it was like $17 a year or something like that. I run my own... the only thing it costs me is electricity and the domain name registration of ~17.00 USD for 3 yrs.

DaWei · Oct 11th, 2005, 5:30 PM

And $17 a year isn't free, and if your time is worth anything at all, setting up your own system isn't free. After all, you could have been recycling cans during that time, so you lost that money. Things may be CHEAP, they aren't free. You may GET some things free, but someone pays, if they're worth having.

zorin · Oct 11th, 2005, 5:38 PM

I think im right in saying you can host your own website for free, a .com domian too by using your desktop, laptop as a server. But this will mean that it uses up alot of your upload limit, and be slow if you got a lot of hits, This is just a option but its much easier to pay (godady.com) for webspace. But having your box as a server will work. My friend did it and it worked no problem.

Infinite Recursion · Oct 11th, 2005, 5:39 PM

What DaWei says is true (we posted at the same time apparently)... Anything worth having, you have to pay for. Even if you have your own server... it costs you for the equipment, the ISP service, the electricity, the domain name, etc... more importantly, it costs you time which you cannot recover.

Your question probably was more to the tune of "Why pay <insert amount>? Can I accomplish this cheaper?"

Infinite Recursion · Oct 11th, 2005, 5:41 PM

Posting at the same time with everyone it seems... lol @ Zorin.

You can host your own website for free, sure.... http://12.345.67.89 or use the no-ip.com approach... but if you want a domain name... you have to register it, which means money... I've never come across a free alternative.

zorin · Oct 11th, 2005, 5:45 PM

Yea, saw everyone else posted for the hell of it so thought id give it a go for a while, never no might end up being the next big posting whore.

sixstringartist · Oct 11th, 2005, 5:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infinite Recursion

Posting at the same time with everyone it seems... lol @ Zorin.

You can host your own website for free, sure.... http://12.345.67.89 or use the no-ip.com approach... but if you want a domain name... you have to register it, which means money... I've never come across a free alternative.

who are these people you pay to register a domain name? do they own certain parts of the internet? doubtfull... so what I dont understand is why your paying some company for a domain name? they can do it with the help of your money so what does it take for you to do it alone?

iignotus · Oct 11th, 2005, 6:41 PM

There's a big difference between nameserving and hosting. When you register most domains, you pay them to add your website name and attatched IP to a list that is then populated throughout all up-to-date ISP Servers. When you connect to the internet, you are connected to one such server, which in exaggerated terms 'hosts the internet', as it provides a translation from "http://google.com" to the actual server that holds that site.

Hosting, on the other hand, can be done for free by using a personal machine and running a webserver such as Apache or IIS on it in order to serve the documents. Once you have a name on the internet, what you do with it and how you serve it is up to you. Professional hosting most certianly has its benefits, though, as you get reliability, stability, and in many cases some sort of an insurance/loss recovery service.

Sites such as no-ip.com use their own nameservers and offer them for free as a sub-domain, in order to further internet population by people with little or no money to spare.

Oct 11th, 2005, 5:20 PM	#1
sixstringartist Programmer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 68 Rep Power: 4	Websites... help clear something up plz. An interest group of mine has its own website. We pay <insert amount> to keep it running.... but why.... why pay? What does it take to have a website of your own without paying for it? I have little understanding of how domain names are used. Do you need your own server? How does this work?

Oct 11th, 2005, 5:26 PM	#2
DaWei Resident Grouch Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,453 Rep Power: 10	Why pay? The infrastructure of the internet cost money to put together, and it costs money to keep it running. Machines that move data about, and machines that look up domain names and cross them to IP addresses cost money. Maintaining them costs money. Writing software for them costs money. If you get your own server, you will probably pay money for it (unless you have an angel). Keeping it running will cost money, unless you have an angel. If you manage to set up your own server and get a domain name and get all the organizational things that go into keeping all that running, then you are just a leech with an angel. Get real. Think. __________________ Abstraction doesn't make it impossible to write bad code; it makes it possible to write superior code. Contributor's Corner: Grumpy on C++ Exceptions DaWei on Pointers

Oct 11th, 2005, 5:26 PM	#3
Infinite Recursion Programming Guru Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: United States Posts: 3,467 Rep Power: 8	Have your own box with static IP address (preferably), install Apache web server, MySql for database, PHP for programming... all of which are free. Register a domain name with someone like Go-Daddy (godaddy.com) or check with Kurifu for hosting options. Last I checked it was like $17 a year or something like that. I run my own... the only thing it costs me is electricity and the domain name registration of ~17.00 USD for 3 yrs. __________________ http://jasonpowers.net "There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root."

Oct 11th, 2005, 5:30 PM	#4
DaWei Resident Grouch Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,453 Rep Power: 10	And $17 a year isn't free, and if your time is worth anything at all, setting up your own system isn't free. After all, you could have been recycling cans during that time, so you lost that money. Things may be CHEAP, they aren't free. You may GET some things free, but someone pays, if they're worth having. __________________ Abstraction doesn't make it impossible to write bad code; it makes it possible to write superior code. Contributor's Corner: Grumpy on C++ Exceptions DaWei on Pointers

Oct 11th, 2005, 5:39 PM	#6
Infinite Recursion Programming Guru Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: United States Posts: 3,467 Rep Power: 8	What DaWei says is true (we posted at the same time apparently)... Anything worth having, you have to pay for. Even if you have your own server... it costs you for the equipment, the ISP service, the electricity, the domain name, etc... more importantly, it costs you time which you cannot recover. Your question probably was more to the tune of "Why pay <insert amount>? Can I accomplish this cheaper?" __________________ http://jasonpowers.net "There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root."

Oct 11th, 2005, 5:38 PM	#5
zorin Hobbyist Programmer Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 218 Rep Power: 4	I think im right in saying you can host your own website for free, a .com domian too by using your desktop, laptop as a server. But this will mean that it uses up alot of your upload limit, and be slow if you got a lot of hits, This is just a option but its much easier to pay (godady.com) for webspace. But having your box as a server will work. My friend did it and it worked no problem.

Oct 11th, 2005, 5:41 PM	#7
Infinite Recursion Programming Guru Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: United States Posts: 3,467 Rep Power: 8	Posting at the same time with everyone it seems... lol @ Zorin. You can host your own website for free, sure.... http://12.345.67.89 or use the no-ip.com approach... but if you want a domain name... you have to register it, which means money... I've never come across a free alternative. __________________ http://jasonpowers.net "There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root."

Oct 11th, 2005, 5:45 PM	#8
zorin Hobbyist Programmer Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 218 Rep Power: 4	Yea, saw everyone else posted for the hell of it so thought id give it a go for a while, never no might end up being the next big posting whore.

Oct 11th, 2005, 6:41 PM	#10
iignotus Professional Programmer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Nowhere Special Posts: 466 Rep Power: 4	There's a big difference between nameserving and hosting. When you register most domains, you pay them to add your website name and attatched IP to a list that is then populated throughout all up-to-date ISP Servers. When you connect to the internet, you are connected to one such server, which in exaggerated terms 'hosts the internet', as it provides a translation from "http://google.com" to the actual server that holds that site. Hosting, on the other hand, can be done for free by using a personal machine and running a webserver such as Apache or IIS on it in order to serve the documents. Once you have a name on the internet, what you do with it and how you serve it is up to you. Professional hosting most certianly has its benefits, though, as you get reliability, stability, and in many cases some sort of an insurance/loss recovery service. Sites such as no-ip.com use their own nameservers and offer them for free as a sub-domain, in order to further internet population by people with little or no money to spare. __________________ (Toggle Plain Text) % rc4 hexkey < input > output #define S ,t=s[i],s[i]=s[j],s[j]=t /* rc4 hexkey <file / unsigned char k[256],s[256],i,j,t;main(c,v,e)charv;{++v;while(++i)s[ i]=i;for(c=0;(v)++;k[c++]=e)sscanf((v)++-1,"%2x",&e);while(j+=s[i] +k[i%c]S,++i);for(j=0;c=~getchar();putchar(~c^s[t+=s[i]]))j+=s[++i]S;}

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Websites... help clear something up plz.