uman

1) Tons
2) Depends on the person, I guess. C++ is far more complex than C.

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Navid

That would apply for me.

stevengs

if the good habbitses live in the Shire, where do the bad habbitses live, my precious?

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DaWei

Bull droppings. If you believe that, you don't know what "knowing" a language is.

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stevengs

hehe, I love these speed-readers...." I know lots of languages... I read [ the preface of ] many books ( well ok, sometimes if I was really in a hurry I just read the back of the binding ) and I can tell you about their typing, which programming paradigms they (supposedly) support and whether they utilize late or early binding ( not that I really know what any of that stuph is). I even went to the effort of 'copying and pasting' and even compiling some of the 'hello world' examples. I win!! "


My favourite was:

" Hi, I'm John Doe Jr. I am 14 years old and I know Perl, PHP, HTML, Java, C, C++, Basic, Fortran, Pascal, Ada, SmallTalk, Lisp/Scheme, Python, Modula, Algol, Simula, Haskell, Forth, Curry, Prolog, SQL, Tcl,..... ..... Sed and Awk. Now I am getting bored, and want to learn another language. Which one should I learn now? "

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DaWei

Even if one knows two languages absolutely fluently, it takes a day to shift the brain gears from one to the other, semantically and syntactically, when one moves from one to the other between serious projects involving professional usage. I grant you that I "wrote" my first Python program in about 5 minutes. It said, "Hello, David." I STILL don't "know" Python.

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Cerulean

Not me. I find C just doesn't scale, and that makes things immensely hard. I find when I write C it _looks_ cryptic - that might just be me, but a fair few fellow coders share the same mentality, so i'm guessing C just doesn't make it easy. C++ makes it easier for me to write elegant code, code that doesn't make me sick at the prospect of having to revisit it a couple of months down the road.

Well, syntactically you only really have to learn templates and OOP (that's classes, inheritance, polymorphism, operator overloading, and a little more), but you don't have to go as "low level" as C, and that means that you end up having to "learn" less than C. I mean, I don't want to have to learn the 1000 and 1 string manipulation functions for working with char arrays in C! The std::string class (officially typedef, if you want to get technical) lumps all these functions conveniently together, meaning I don't have to constantly worry about buffer overflows, blah blah blah. If you need container classes like double or single linked lists, associative arrays - no problem. C++ has them right there in the STL, just waiting for you

DaWei

In addition to learing whatever technical skills you're currently learning, you need to learn how those skills are actually used in the real world (if you're planning a professional career and not just a hobby). I don't know Cerulean, but my take is that he has the bottom-line outlook for the current level of technology that makes him a valuable employee. Thirty years ago C++ and the STL or Python, or whatever, could not be put on the machines of the day. There weren't enough resources affordable to do it. Today you cannot afford to do otherwise. I see people claiming that they'll do nothing but write in assembler. An absolutely MINISCULE number of programmers, percentage-wise, will be paid to write assembly code. A coder can write a given number of working lines of code in a day, more or less, regardless of the language. The number of lines in a high level language produces an order of magnitude more running code than the same number of lines in a low level language. Put yourself in the position of the guy with the wallet who wants to add money, not throw it away, and lay your plans accordingly.

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linuxpimp20

if you familar with and understand some of the concepts of C you've been reading about like arrays and for loops, while loops, if else statements etc. you'll have an easier time because those same concepts exist in C++ as well. the hardest part is that you'll have to learn about object oriented programming and some concepts for that will take awhile to grasp. good luck.

DaWei

C++ is, with some exceptions, a superset of C. If you write C from your knowledge of C++ the compiler will almost always tell you where you strayed so you can fix it. It's tougher to go the other direction.

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