uman

Yes, because I'm sure you can make an online game with PHP with 3 DIMENSIONAL GRAPHICS. I see that ALL THE TIME. </sarcasm>

And if you think text-based games are lame then you're wrong. Lame text games are lame, cool text games are cool. It has nothing to do with the textyness.

massive-war

ninja, I didn't grow up with "fucking xbox and shit"

I'm 17 years old. I grew up on NES and atari. XBOX, ps2, even n64 are still considered new in my mind. I still play old SNES games (my NES broke), which is over 10 years old, and it rocks almost anything else out there.

My point was, why make a text based game when you can make a 3d game? Personall, appreciative or not, I could care less about text based games, just because they were the "original" thing. Who cares, it's a wave of the past. Personally, I'd rather see a guy cut off another guy's arm with a sword than read words on a screen.

At least for me, It's the market. Why make a game when you won't make money off it? ya, programming is a hobby, but why waste time making a game if you get nothing out of it?


And Runescape isn't text based, ARENAscape is. Runescape rocked the shit back in the day. Now Runescape sucks more than ever.

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you get the satisfaction that you created it, is that such a bad thing. i mean look at the open source community its a great community and alot of people work for free but then agian there are people making money off of OSS but quite a few arent.

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How can I agree that I have read it, when there is no link to it?

massive-war

Big_k, you can be the smartest/most talented/most professional programmer in the world, but if you can't apply your skills, you're as useless as anyone else.

That's the thing about life: It's not what you know, it's who you know (well, OBVIOUSLY it's part of what, but you get the point). If you can't get anything done, then there's no point in having that talent, other than self-satisfaction... but afterall, if you can't make money and a living, why do something?

With that being said, use your programming skills to make money. I look at programming as a hobby for me, but not as a hobby such as video games, that will only rot my brain and not help me whatsoever in the future, if I don't do something extraordinary with it. I can "program" anythingthing, but can I really do something worthwhile?

The answer is: Yes!!! Go where the money takes you. Me, for example, have devoted the past year and a half of my life, and most likely the next several, to developing an online game in which I will charge players money. Now, I'm not like everyone else in saying that I"ll create the next MMORPG, because I know that I'd have to go for schooling for that (way to advanced), but I am creating an online game that will take a lot of my time.

So, would I do this without making money off of it? Of course not. It wouldn't be worth my time. I could be day trading stocks or working construction or building a space module for NASA to make money. However, with an online game, I would charge the players monthly, which could provide me with a decent income if constructed carefully.

So, why does everyone else here program? It's just like anything else... the more you do it the better you become. But why become better? For personal enjoyment? For self-awareness and brainpower? Personally, I wouldn't do anything unless I knew for sure that it would help me on later in life (unless I'm 60 years old, can't walk, and have 20 million dollars, then I can play all the video games I want).

And that's why I want to major in business and minor in CS, so I can use business knowledge with Computer Science knowledge to develop and market my game fully. Since I'm programming and starting dev. now, I would only have to minor in CS, and I think you catch my drift.

Long story short (there always is one of these in my posts, believe it or not):

Free = no no, unless it's volunteer work for homeless or something.

Open source projects are a waste of time--> Satisfaction doesn't go anywhere... you might as well spend more time and try to develop something yourself, and perhaps market it.

money = good

(work = money) = good

(work != money) = waste of time

Don't work on something that doesn't better anyone for no money

Holy shit... I just keep ramblin' and ramblin' and ramblin'

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An open source project is like beating a really hard level in a video game.

You know, the level that you spend countless hours on, but can't beat it.

But, when you do, you fucken flip shit and go dance on the ceiling because you got it.

Well, good for you, it means nothing because you didn't get anywhere, but 16 hours down in your life timeline, a 6 pack, and about 33 bags of fun-yuns.

You beat the level (which I'm cleverly referring to as the open source project ), you move on to the next, and you simply don't realize that it's just a game and the world would most likely be better without it.

So, you complete the open source project, you realize that you totally owned that project, made it better, completed it, whatever, but you didn't RECIEVE anything from it.

I mean holy shit, why do something if you don't get anything.

I can't see a reason for me to go plant 4400 forks in my neighbors yard and spray paint "oink" on his windows, so why do it.

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Trust me, open source is a waste of time. Spend your time on other things. Develop a game! (just not an online one, because I need all the business I can get )

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Wow, dude, I didn't realize everything was about money. Some people want to have fun, rather than being chained to a desk for 60 hours a week the rest of their lives. There is this thing called "a hobby" that people do, you know? You even admit to it in your own post, that your hobby is video games. Do video games gain you ANYTHING? It's just another strand in your vast web of hypocrisy. If anything, working on open-source software builds your reputation and your skills, which is better than what video games do. Which leads me to my next point: how do you think it's possible to raise your skills without creating simple things first? No one can pick up a book on C++, read it, and then create Halo 3. It takes practice, dedication, and talent, but mostly practice. Are you saying that you never coded anything that you didn't make money off of? If you haven't, you're lying. If you have, you're a hypocrite. Have fun when this guy is making millions and you're a loser with no job, no life, and no future, because you would never just code for fun or practice coding, as you refused to anything that wasn't making you money, thus being the world's worst coder. And about the hypocrisy thing, seriously, get your facts straight. First you say that you love video games or whatever, then you say they're a waste of time. Which is it? Do you like having fun, or don't you? From the attitude I think you don't, but from what you said earlier there's a faint glimmer of hope that you do. I'm not counting on it, though.

big_k105

OSS is one of the greatest things in this world. Everyone one can work on a project and make it better which in turn makes it a better peice of software then something that say one person created because you have tons of programmers looking thru the source finding things that could be fixed or changed. If it wasnt for OSS we wouldnt have Linux, Apache webserver, PHP, MySQL, PostgreSQL and many other great peices of software that are used everyday by tons of programmers and other geeks.

Oh, and one more thing about OSS is that every project you work on can be added to your resume, which in turn tells your future employers that you have worked on some great software or atleast that you are a good team player since most OSS are a community project not just a single person. Well thats all i have to say about OSS im sure there are many other people on these forums that are as big on OSS as me so i will let them talk now

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I like video games, but I don't obsess over them. After all, why would I be making one if I didn't like them? My point is, I like them, but I hardly play them. I'd rather be working on one, knowing that I'll someday make money, than to play video games. Yes I love them, but I dont' need to play them everyday, i get more joy out of knowing what the future holds.

And for the comment above: So, when he works on an open source project, he'll be making millions someday while I'm living on the street, because he has more practice? I never denounced practice, I simply said open source is a waste of time, mostly because people work on them sooo much, and then never end up getting anywhere. Personally, I think if I have ambition to make money with the stuff I'm doing, rather than someone else who isn't expecting money, I'm pretty sure I'll end up rich first. You usually don't just get lucky in life and have a breakthrough because you're smart, but you push, and push, and push for it until it happens.

You're a stupid ass if you really think I haven't coded anything for free and sold it. My point is that you learn, and you apply. You have to learn somewhere, but why not do it on your own? My point is that there are so many people, with nothing better to do, than to sit around and work on open source projects day in and day out, when they have the skills to do higher.

If I have the ability to make a game, why the fuck would I want to make an open-sourced project? Why? I'd rather not expect the government to pay for everything in my life, and do it myself, and become ambitious like so many other conservatives.

That's the difference between conservatives and liberals... the conservatives work hard for what they get, and want to keep it because they earned it, but the liberals think they know more about what to do with the conservatives money than the conservatives do, and the liberals don't have any themselves, and we get into this whole issue of laziness vs. ambition. There are always people dragging others behind.

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