Originally Posted by sackarias

Good luck to any guy trying to get a girlfriend in America that's uncircumcised. Obviously I'm not yielding cold hard (no pun intended) facts, however, from middle to high school any sexual education class that I went to had girls grimacing in horror when a projection of an uncircumcised penis would hit the wall. I'm not stereotyping America in that it's IMPOSSIBLE or UNFATHOMABLE for a male with foreskin to get (and keep) a girlfriend but I think the chips are stacked against you.

Originally Posted by sackarias

First, I agree that most children accept views their parents place in front of them. But it's a crock of shit to say it's not forcing and that it's teaching. Teaching requires two things, a student and an unbiased mentor. Unbiased being the key. Sitting in science class having my biology teacher teaching me evolution when he was the leader of our high school's "Students For Christ" club is being unbiased. And no I'm not talking some petty bull crap like this programming prof. is biased toward indentation in this format and this one isn't or do your long division this way as opposed to this way. How can a kid become an independent thinker when his supposed independent ideologies are stripped away when he's force fed thoughts on life? A child has no means or ability to engage in a truly meaningful and concrete discussion on life until they hit a certain age. When you're 5 and you're told this is what happens/happened and you're surrounded by others, who when they were the same age were told the same thing, does not stimulate thought. It's force feeding ideas into someones life. Let children breath and enjoy life, and make the decisions themselves. You could take a child and tell them anything, and after being told enough times they will believe it. EVEN without solid evidence, and no I'm sorry folks but I don't think the bible is concrete enough for me. But it's very solid when you're told in your earliest years that everything in this book is true no matter what. I could hand a kid the lord of the rings series, and say this happened thousands of years ago, I bet you they would believe it after years of force feeding : )

George Carlin said it best (rip).

Originally Posted by Ancient Dragon

Bullshit. Parents need to teach children about society, morality, and the difference between right and wrong. That is not force feeding -- its being a responsible parent.

Originally Posted by xavier

Read first - talk later

Originally Posted by casesensitive

Ever stopped to help a stranded motorist? Ever catch the next exit to turn around to hit the previous exit to get back to where someone was broken down to lend a helping hand?

Originally Posted by casesensitive

I have numberous times. If not for nothing less to lend them my cell phone so they can call family.

Originally Posted by casesensitive

I'd say about 3-4 cars passing every couple seconds. By the time I turned around to get back still no one else had stopped to help a 50+ year old woman starring at a flat tire.

Originally Posted by casesensitive

They isnt anything wrong with me teaching what I believe to be right and wrong to my children

Originally Posted by nigel

Jabo: You understand nothing of the dictatorship of the proletariat, so just keep quiet on this subject (concerning your post about the state owning children).

Originally Posted by Ancient Dragon

Not in the last 40 years or so -- I wouldn't stop if the person was lying on the ground with a pitchfork sticking out of her chest. Here in USA people had been shot/killed for being good semaritans.

Originally Posted by Jabo

Sorry Nigel, I have a right to voice my opinions, even if you view them as wrong. I don't live in your dictatorship yet.

That being said, looks like this thread is starting to heat up; maybe it should be locked.