Jabo

Mmmmyessss, and books don't usually try to make you feel like a heel spur.

I'd like to remind you that the general attitude around here is counter-productive to the purpose of this site. The site is here to attract people looking for help, unless I'm confused about that. Hostility does little to keep those people coming back.

Benoit

I agree with Jabo. I was always hesitent to ask questions on here because I was intimidated by possible responses of certain members. Show some empathy, people. I suppose I should thank them though, its forced me figure the problems out myself.

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Ancient Dragon

I hope you will find such hostility/snopperish attitude has almost disappeared. I, for one, don't normally make offensive posts like that which attempt to browbeat the original poster or any other posters. People should be treated with dignity, not like some lowlife scumbag. That doesn't mean I'm at your beck-and-call or that I'll do someone's homework. Only that I'll do my best to help when I can, which might include posting google links.

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OpenLoop

I guess it sounded like I was defending rudeness towards newbies. I am certainly against it, and I agree with you that it is counter-productive. I was only stating some facts from my own experience.
But I stand by my suggestion of ignoring such arrogant attitudes and looking at the decent ones(like Ancient Dragon's for instance)

Sane

I had no idea it was that bad Jabo.

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Jabo

Normally, I might do just that. But I get this at work also, and I'm just sick of it. Ignoring it does nothing to correct it. If people don't know the damage they're doing, they keep on doing it. Not so long ago, if somebody was caught driving drunk, and they were "good ole boys" or deemed to have a presence of mind, they were ignored or warned and sent on their way. As you know, that has changed. In today's world, irresponsibility costs, and plenty.

Jimbo

Because I'm feeling trollish and want to pick on someone... ok, I probably shouldn't post this, but please treat it as though it might be considered funny by some introverted geek with nothing better to do? Yes, I'll sound bitter. Skip it if you don't want to hear it, I won't mind.

It's true, but we do get worn down. Afterall, when searching for how to output in Java, you'd think people might first search for "Java output" than "easy homework answers". Or maybe people would consider that if they want to learn a complicated skill (anyone who thinks of programming otherwise has been woefully misinformed) they should try it with a reference manual or book of some sort.

Of course not, they're new and problems with Hello World are still exciting. Then again, it could be considered disdain for the established folk for a new guy to come in without giving much to any effort and expecting us to spend our time to fix their problems (my time is quite valuable, I've learned).

Ah, yes, we do like those who come back for more. And think of how grown up you've become, not minding a few jabbing words. It's like high school, only without the hormones.

In that regard, I consider this forum highly successful. You've learned (or better, knew) how to find answers without someone putting them on a silver platter. This will, in turn, cause your questions to be more in-depth, thought out, and, ultimately, interesting. Such questions are then responded to with appropriate effort and respect. That's what makes the place fun.

A very fair opinion from the guy looking for help (no offense, honest). As you've survived the harsh cycle, I'd much rather that you stayed and tried to make the place into what you would have liked (I'll note in a less than modest digression that I try to be quite polite when dealing with newcomers, but even I have my monents).

Very fair. As much as you've probably heard it, I've tried to iterate the grumpy established members' perspective, in an established grump way. Please consider it as humourous as I did while writing it.

And for more fun and insight, I refer to a very non-politically correct (and perhaps mildly offensive yet written in much the same intention of humor), yet quite Internet correct page, which you can find here

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KuraKai

I have no complaints at all with the site, I was looking for a good site that allows for me to get help with programming. This website has a good layout and has the more useful programming languages listed. I got tired of a few forums when they began to list the most random languages and very un-useful languages. Such as Java, WTH is the point of Java. I have so many issues trying to do anything in there. My friend made a game that used one texture(just a basic image) and display it 10 times. They moved from top to bottom and then respawn at the top and you dodged them. Something that simple hogged up half the cpu!!

Jimbo

part 2 of my trolling saga (may I not be banned... but not so much trolling this time...)

Spoken like a true Internet User(TM). Glad to have you along...

You should get out more. I know lots of programmers (by trade, and sometimes hobby as well) who lead very involved social lives.

So true, and yet so few people have come to realize it. References, the kind that you don't communicate with via PMs at least, are the most useful tool for this sort of stuff.

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Jabo

Don't worry Jimbo, I've taken your side of the story into account, and if you were paying me to do a job I could expect such attitude. If you're going to bother hanging out on a *free advice* website, then the only reason for giving attitude that I can see is to discourage people from knowing what you know. After all, you're in the business and do you want competition, especially when they got part of their knowledge from you? I wouldn't want to train my successor, for sure. More people knowing what you know means less pay available for you, and less pay given for the job you do. Refute that and I'll point out that it still defeats the purpose of this site. Funny thing about that is, you're not the one paying the cost; that would be the owner and the people who come to this site to learn.

And I can definately see the point in not handing people knowledge on a silver platter, but there have been several times I was looking for something, came here to get a kick in the right direction only to be lambasted by a certain member for god knows what reason. I even said in my initial posts that I've spent X amount of time trying to find it own my own. If I don't know where to look, 10 years isn't going to give me a shocking revelation. There's a lot of freakin information in a programming language to search through, and sometimes I just don't know where to look. I don't have years to devote to self-discovery. That's why I come to these forums. Somebody with experience will surely be able to guide me, point me in the right direction. I don't have a problem with doing a little research.

There's a saying, I'm sure you've heard it. You're part of the solution or you're part of the problem. Think about that while the million+ people in China are competing for your job. Funny thing about the Chinese culture, they know how to work together.