Wizard1988

I recently attended a Microsoft presentation at my uni and they were trying to lure people in like crazy. They said that new interns go to to Bill Gates' house for dinner and stuff. Then they made a big deal of how last year microsoft spent couple millions on free drinks for employees. They also mentioned some other benefits. So now I am wondering what you guys think about working for microsoft. I think that Jimbo works for microsoft but I am not sure about the rest of you guys.

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crawforddavid2006

I dont think there is anything wrong with working for microsoft. It just depends who you are i guess. The things you have to keep in mind is are you going to enjoy it, and is the money good? I know that sounds terrible but those are somethings you should keep in mind.

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ReggaetonKing

Would look great on your resume.

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Indigno

I don't really think that M$ is the evil corporation that GNU would like us to believe. There may be a few things that could be better, but I think they do a pretty good job.

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DaWei

A company is supposed to hire people based on their skills and pay them accordingly. "Accordingly" means they need to contribute more to the bottom line than they cost. Good companies are fair about the ratio, bad companies might try to benefit a lot more than they pay.

If a company and its officers are caught failing to consider the bottom line, the company and its higher officers are subject to civil (and maybe criminal) penalties for fiduciary irresponsibility.

If an officer in a position of fiduciary responsibility bad-mouths his company to rank and file employees, the result is likely to be sub-par performance. That officer is guilty of a crime.

If a company is not found guilty of fiduciary irresponsibility, but is performing poorly, the supporters (investors, stockholders, etc.) will eventually ream them a new asshole, put new people on the board, demand that responsible managers be fired, anything they can find the power to do.

About the only way a company can evade this sort of oversight is to be totally private. That is, the only people that can be hurt are the people that are doing wrong.

You may be a member of a zillion forums. If so, you will find lebenty-zillion MS bashers and other fanboys of that type are almost invariably young punk kids that have never had to deal with reality.

MS has cost a lot of people a lot of headaches with poor code, but they haven't cost very many people anything significant in the way of $$. A Windows system typically has Windows bundled in when it's bought. Barebones, without an OS, it probably wouldn't be $20 cheaper.

When a geeky type gets pissed off at the problems he/she might encounter with Windows, he/she jumps almost invariably to Linux, tries 4 or 5 different distributions, and screws around for absolutely hours before arriving at a stable configuration. Once there, the search is on for simple applications that can perform day-to-day tasks as effectively as free-to-cheap-to expensive applications that flood the market and run under Windows.

Anyone who really needs a good OS will use neither Windows nor a common Unix clone. They will get a good one, and they will pay for it.

Bashing a company simply because it is successful and has made its founders rich is a child's activity, fueled by bloggers whose level of true knowledge is minimal.

Google has already become a second "evil empire" because it's so successful. I daresay the large majority of the Google bashers still use it because there isn't really anything that does the job so well (I personally think that's changing, but we'll see).

MS hires a lot of people. I'd love to see the figures on how many of those hirees have dined with El Bill. LOL!

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bigguy

I don't think working for MS would be that bad. Actually working for them is one of my long term goals. Which might be closer then I would have thought depending on that I have the right skills they need. There is talk about putting one in batesville, AR which is only 45 miles from where I currently live, and if they dont I belive they also have one in bentonville, ar. Further away, but I dont mind relocating.

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rohan

how bad is it to earn money? how bad is it that you ask money for the hard work you put in? Some people might give away their software for free... but it's an open choice.. it's a free world. The people in GNU aren't really close-minded... by them I mean the actual developers. They are open-minded towards commercial software too [quite a few of them]. The people who make it a big deal are the fanboys on digg and slashdot for whom money making is cool when Apple does it, but evil when MS does it and GNU has come to save the world from something very very satanic as MS.

People charge money for all sorts of things today... how wrong is it to charge for software?? Working for MS can't be bad..

Jessehk

Well, I'm not in a position to talk about where I've worked (still in high school).
I would like to say that I would love a chance to work at Microsoft. I don't like Windows, but I honestly don't have much of problem with the company itself -- especially when it is as large as it is and therefore has a lot of seperate projects and goals.

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure I want to study EE so I don't even know if I'll ever be in that position.

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DaWei

EE
Will set you free

I did about 10% analog design and divided the rest between digital design and software design, with a tiny amount of mechanical design thrown in.

Great background for an interesting career and for getting into managerial positions.

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Indigno

I don't understand people who hate google because they use ads. How the hell else would they do it for free? Ads are how you pay for something, without actually paying for it.

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