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massive-war · Apr 1st, 2005, 4:28 PM

I game program in the language of c++, and i wanted to start learning web development on my free time. Is there a huge jump, like learning c++ but different all over again, or is web development simple?

I haven't really looked at anything yet, so i have no idea on how to write web pages at the moment.

Thanks for replying

Overmind · Apr 1st, 2005, 4:41 PM

well, learn php, if you have learnt c++, php will be easy, but first learn xhtml and css...that stuff is piss.

massive-war · Apr 1st, 2005, 4:53 PM

what's the difference between xhtml and php?

Overmind · Apr 1st, 2005, 5:02 PM

hehehe...xhtml is for the design of the site, which is easy. php is a scripting language used for making things such a thid forum,....i'm not feeling good now so I can't explain properly..eh

sham · Apr 1st, 2005, 10:18 PM

Hello,

nice, I have recently started learning php. But some-one suggested that one should learn xhtml before php.
Let me know where can I get good tutorials for xhtml ?
Regards
[Sham]

massive-war · Apr 2nd, 2005, 12:05 AM

how does php compare with javascript?

new User(Kevin.Parkinson) · Apr 2nd, 2005, 12:24 AM

massive-war:
Generally you will find Javascript running on the client machine. In other words, when you request a site, the Javascript( which can be powerful in a limited way ) gets run on your computer. On the other hand, and much more powerful and exciting, something like PHP( or ASP ) is scripting that gets run on the web server before it gets sent to your computer, and it's amazing what you can do with it --> this includes forming Javascript, as well as manipulating data from databases, and perhaps managing a forum like this one. In fact, this site uses PHP. With the two technologies I mentioned - PHP & ASP - you use a scripting language to form a web server's response.

Personally, what I find more exciting, is the ability to use the full power of a language to do this, which unfortunately not the case with ASP & VBScript and, I am assuning with PHP. If you really want to get into some amazing Object-Oriented web programming, I would recommend setting your sites on either JSP( uses the full extent of JAVA ) or ASP.NET( can use the full power of any .NET language -- e.g. C# ). Personally, I love to use ASP.NET with C#, and I am looking forward to working with JSP at my college.

massive-war · Apr 2nd, 2005, 12:32 AM

woah, that was an excellent response. Thank you for your time

tempest · Apr 2nd, 2005, 1:17 AM

I've tried many many times to explain the concepts of what a server-side language is vs. a client-side language. That is probably the best explanation in summary that i have ever heard. Good work.

Yuneek · Apr 2nd, 2005, 11:48 AM

PHP is a programming language to help you display dynamic content, it runs server side.

XHTML is the "new version" of HTML which I highly recommend, should be used for structural layout of any web page.

CSS is for presentation on web pages, smarter to use as much CSS as possible over images as it loads much faster.

Learn XHTML, CSS then PHP & MySQL and you will be pretty well set for web design, especially if you can do decent 2D art through Adobe Photoshop.

Good luck,
Yuneek

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sham Newbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 29 Rep Power: 0	where can I get material/tutorials to learn xhtml Hello, nice, I have recently started learning php. But some-one suggested that one should learn xhtml before php. Let me know where can I get good tutorials for xhtml ? Regards [Sham]

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