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Old Apr 6th, 2006, 7:40 AM   #1
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Weed "facts" debate

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Just take a look at this site and if you see a nice fact you would like to agree or disagree with, let us know what you think. Feel free to argue with other members, just don't flame.

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Those that smoke pot have twice the risk of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, due to unsafe sex practices
There's no chance system when having sex with STDs and STDs don't just appear whenever you're doing it wrong. If someone has STDs, you're going to get them, if they have none, you won't get them.

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Much higher risk of geting cancer even of those that just smoke cigarettes.
No, that's not actually true. Weed does have a higher risk of giving you cancer, but cigarettes give people cancer more often because you won't see someone smoke a whole pack of weed(let's say he filled all his cigarettes with weed) a day. People still get cancer off cigarettes more often so this one is kind of a stupid "fact".

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A person that is high is much more dangerous behind the wheel then a suicidal drunk
Being high OFF WEED doesn't impare your driving as much as this quote seems to think. A drunk is more likely to get into an accident, not to mention a suicidal drunk.

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You'll go broke due to you puting forth all your money and then some
This site's obviously not talking about responsible people. More people go broke off buying food than buying weed that I know, does that make it bad?

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The drug contains over 425 different elements meaning that you'll have 425 new problems in your life
Why would 425 new problems arise in your life because there's 425 elements in the product? There are a lot of clean ways to inhale the THC. Just don't smoke it and you'll be alright. Also, don't use paper or anything that will give off smoke. There's these magic machines called vaporizors, instead of creating smoke, it creates steam.
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Old Apr 6th, 2006, 7:45 AM   #2
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Yeah you are right. Another one I like is
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Most Ppl dont do it (one of every five teens do it)
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The drug contains over 425 different elements meaning that you'll have 425 new problems in your life
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Its illegal, Smoking pot is a serious offense in America
America yeah..but I live in The Netherlands and it's legal here, but so are prostitutes and abortion...
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Old Apr 6th, 2006, 9:03 AM   #3
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The authors of the page seem to forget that correlation does not imply causation. Whilst I'm of the opinion that smoking pot isn't exactly a good idea, I can't see why adults shouldn't have the choice to put whatever substance they want into their own bodies. It also seems rather odd to me that governments around the world consider the side-effects of legalised drug use worse than funnelling millions into organised crime.
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Old Apr 6th, 2006, 9:51 AM   #4
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i smoke weed everyday, sometime even before i go to work in the morning. There is nothing wrong with weed...infact i think it's far healthier than any other substance that people use...including alcohol.

I have gotten a DUI before and i have driven while stoned, there is no compairison....weed doesn't impair your judgement. If anything i find it makes you more cautious.

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You'll go broke due to you puting forth all your money and then some
I don't know where that guy is buying his weed, but i pay far less for a bag than a case of beer.

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Those that smoke pot have twice the risk of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, due to unsafe sex practices
Bullshit. I wrap up every time....and i stay the hell away from crack whores.

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Long term kills you mentally
FUD! I have smoked since i was 12. Yet i have a very good job...and make a pay check that lets me live very comfortably.

Hemp isn't just for gettting high ether, you can produce some of the strongest materials for cloths/ropes etc with the fiber that is produced. Also you can crush the seeds etc and make oil, which then can be made into ethonol or biofuel. The economical benifits out weigh the negatives (IMHO there are no negatives).

IMO, there are social benifits to smoking pot as well. People these days just need to chill out and think about how they are treating everybody.
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Old Apr 6th, 2006, 9:57 AM   #5
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The authors of the page seem to forget that correlation does not imply causation. Whilst I'm of the opinion that smoking pot isn't exactly a good idea, I can't see why adults shouldn't have the choice to put whatever substance they want into their own bodies. It also seems rather odd to me that governments around the world consider the side-effects of legalised drug use worse than wmillions into organised crime.
A new member is the author of the page. But I don't see that either. I can see why they still would want to stop hard drugs. But I don't think it's worse than organised crime.

As for soft drugs, I think it's still stupid to do it, but it doesn't cause a lot of problems here, and most teenagers here stop after they have done it for a while. Sigarettes are either more addictive or people seem to think that soft drugs is a lot worse than sigarettes.

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i smoke weed everyday, sometime even before i go to work in the morning. There is nothing wrong with weed...infact i think it's far healthier than any other substance that people use...including alcohol.

I have gotten a DUI before and i have driven while stoned, there is no compairison....weed doesn't impair your judgement. If anything i find it makes you more cautious.

I don't know where that guy is buying his weed, but i pay far less for a bag than a case of beer.

Bullshit. I wrap up every time....and i stay the hell away from crack whores.

FUD! I have smoked since i was 12. Yet i have a very good job...and make a pay check that lets me live very comfortably.

Hemp isn't just for gettting high ether, you can produce some of the strongest materials for cloths/ropes etc with the fiber that is produced. Also you can crush the seeds etc and make oil, which then can be made into ethonol or biofuel. The economical benifits out weigh the negatives (IMHO there are no negatives).

IMO, there are social benifits to smoking pot as well. People these days just need to chill out and think about how they are treating everybody.
Haha you crack me up...did I just say crack?

You are right about the car thing, I too heard that it makes you drive more careful. But sometimes being too careful can be dangerous too.
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Old Apr 6th, 2006, 12:13 PM   #6
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Well there are a few reasons I put it on my site:

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1. Earlier that day I was talking to my girlfriend and she said she would probably break up with me if I smoked cigarettes but we be cool with the idea of me smoking weed because she would do it if she had the chance.
Now with everything I have seen go through my school and shit this scared and disturbed me. I dont like hanging around with ppl who are high because all they want to do is sit there and laugh at you saying "pudding" and for my gf to want and do that was just ugh...

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2. I Know a person who was high and died in car wreck.
I type it like I see it some of the stuff on that list are do to things that I have seen my friends and other ppl do. Other stuff on that list came from like 30 different sites so it might not be true might not be true.

yes I have friends that smoke weed but they do do it around me because they know I slap them silly. but none the less its my opinion that ppl shouldnt smoke weed.
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Old Apr 6th, 2006, 1:56 PM   #7
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2. I Know a person who was high and died in car wreck.
I know a person who was pregnant and died in a car wreck.

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I dont like hanging around with ppl who are high because all they want to do is sit there and laugh at you saying "pudding"
I would like to refer you to one of my favorite quotes from family guy.
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Perhaps those people are mentally hilarious? Sitting around saying pudding isn't an effect of drugs.
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Old Apr 6th, 2006, 1:58 PM   #8
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Well there are a few reasons I put it on my site:
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1. Earlier that day I was talking to my girlfriend and she said she would probably break up with me if I smoked cigarettes but we be cool with the idea of me smoking weed because she would do it if she had the chance.
Now with everything I have seen go through my school and shit this scared and disturbed me. I dont like hanging around with ppl who are high because all they want to do is sit there and laugh at you saying "pudding" and for my gf to want and do that was just ugh...
Now with me it would probably be the other way around, if I liked a girl but she would smoke I wouldn't have much of a problem with that, although french kissing might be less of a turn on.
But if I was interested in a girl and she'd tell me she smokes weed, then I'd not be interested in her anymore.

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I type it like I see it some of the stuff on that list are do to things that I have seen my friends and other ppl do. Other stuff on that list came from like 30 different sites so it might not be true might not be true.
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yes I have friends that smoke weed but they do do it around me because they know I slap them silly. but none the less its my opinion that ppl shouldnt smoke weed.
I understand that, I didn't want to drive in a car because a guy I knew drove almost 175 mph (290 kmh) when it was raining and he aqua slided against a tree, and 3 of the 4 in the car were killed instantly, the last died a week later from injuries. This may not relate to what you are saying about weed, but I understand how you feel/felt.

It wasn't due to driving a car per se, but because he drove so fast (he wasn't even the one behind the wheel). That may have (I'm not saying it did) happened also to the guy you knew.
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Old Apr 6th, 2006, 2:25 PM   #9
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When your list has to start off by saying "1. It's not cool" THAT, RIGHT THERE is when you stop writing.

Besides that, those are the effects of addiction not marijuana, per say. You don't get addicted to it by doing it once and getting away with it, you just learn you can get away with it and continue to do it until you are addicted. Of course, at that point it's usually happened so slowly people say "I can always stop if I want to." People in an addiction quick enough to have happened from one use, don't answer the question of addiction: they tell you to STFU and give you their money.

The hype over the effects of addiction to marijuana is mostly media-related, and then spewed by those people who never tried it or only did it once. If you've never been addicted, do me the kind favor of letting those who have been tell you what the addiction does. A former addict saying "don't even try it once," is not saying that because it can get you addicted the first time.

As for the effects, marijuana isn't an inhibitor like alcohol so it doesn't remove your inhibitions to do things like 175mph. Normally it makes you calmer, and if anything you'll drive slower (but with less of an ability to respond to things on the road).

What I really don't get is why all of these "dont drink and drive" ad campaigns, as ineffective as they must know that they are, aren't even targetting the real issue. Why don't they just simply say, "Driving impaired may not kill you, but your friend on the table over there was dead on arrival."

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Edit: I'm anti drugs, but that's not a name under which the media (or whoever) should be acting ignorant.
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Old Apr 6th, 2006, 2:41 PM   #10
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America yeah..but I live in The Netherlands and it's legal here, but so are prostitutes and abortion...
Nothing wrong with abortion, IMO.
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